Thank you oh so much...

[Harrdy]

I wouldn't have found "Jeremiah" if not for this Forum. Sadly I haven't seen the show anywhere near my TV set (I guess there is no german translation) and it seems there is no Region 2 DVD set avaliable (just checked Amazon, will search other later). So I had to "aquire" the first Season "otherwise"... But I WILL pay for that gold, if I find the opportunity. It is one of the few "intelligent" series I know. I really cried at the end of "Man of Iron, Woman Under Glass", and every other episode still pulls my emotional strings. I highly recommend the series to anybody who lived - as I - under a stone and didn't know anything about it 9-)

PeAcE

[Jan]

Glad you found it, however you had to do it. Season 2 is much better, too, thanks to JMS writing 13 of the 15 hours. Unfortunately it's not out on DVD at all, anywhere.

I teared up at the end of 'Man of Iron...' and was blown away (so to speak) with 'And the Ground...'

Someplace, somewhere, there must be a studio that will let JMS just do his thing again without interference...

[barryjj1965]

End season two..

Folks,

Is there a 'proper' ending to series 2. Or is it a cliff hanger type ending waiting for a Season 3 that never happened?

Regards,

John

[Jan]

The beauty is, it could be either, actually. As an end, it's really pretty sastisfactory because the main conflict for the season is pretty much resolved on a personal level for the characters. On the other hand, at the end, two forces are poised on the verge of a huge battle and we don't find out what happens. Even so, we're left with a feeling that things probably work out okay. If JMS had continued writing it, we might not have been that comfortable, given how he likes to drop anvils on his characters, but for me the feeling was that they could avert disaster.

If it had continued, there were some threads that it would have been great to follow up on and lots of places the series could've gone. But it's not a Z'ha'dum sort of cliffhanger. JMS seems to have known fairly early on that season that he wouldn't be returning for a third year and designed things accordingly.

Hope that helps.

Jan

[Garibaldi's Hair]

Haven't seen it yet, but JMS posted about this ...

JMSNews Post

So, that's all cleared up then.

[Jan]

Haven't seen it yet, but JMS posted about this ...

JMSNews Post

So, that's all cleared up then.

Yeah, I never saw a Vorlon on Jeremiah but obviously there was one, huh? I thought for sure with his answer that I'd end up wanting to throw something through the TV but it was okay...and he was right. Funny that...

Jan

[Harrdy]

Watching second Season now... first I thought it started to slow, but now I am (again) blown away. I wished I had a mother like Theo (Kim Hawthorne). I don't want to sound ungrateful, but their view on how to "handle the job" would have been better than "doing what is right", if you know what I mean...

PeAcE

[Jan]

What do you think of Mister Smith? He ended up being one of my favorite characters.

Jan

[Harrdy]

Mister Smith is still mysterious (and I guess he will stay that way until the end of the season... well, I fear he will be less interresting when his "speaking to god" get's explained), I really liked the episode about the miracles... one of the messages I got out of it was that we stand in our own way because we fear change...

The betrayal (you know whom I mean) hit me like a hammer, I would never have thought of that (well, in retrospective...), and the whole situation gave Mr. Smith a kind of tragic position, regarding Jeremiah. I like it 8-)

It also gave me shivers when I hear about how a fire is needed to start it, after the "incident". Could be interpreted as that power (you know who) kicked Jeremiah in his ass, that way... to make sure he get's things done. Kind of plans within plans... and the story tends to describe "two powers" (as with the fractals description) who play a *big* game. But it is still believable, which is a big plus with that kind of storyline!

PeAcE

[Jan]

Mister Smith is still mysterious (and I guess he will stay that way until the end of the season... well, I fear he will be less interresting when his "speaking to god" get's explained), I really liked the episode about the miracles... one of the messages I got out of it was that we stand in our own way because we fear change...

That's a good point. Plus, I think, sometimes we get 'comfortable' with our pain and are fearful of letting it go. Remember how Delenn had to tell Marcus that he had to let go of the pain of his losses?

The betrayal (you know whom I mean) hit me like a hammer, I would never have thought of that (well, in retrospective...), and the whole situation gave Mr. Smith a kind of tragic position, regarding Jeremiah. I like it 8-)

What a secret to have to keep, huh? I looked back and only found small hints about the person who betrayed. A few clouded expressions, was about all.

... and the story tends to describe "two powers" (as with the fractals description) who play a *big* game. But it is still believable, which is a big plus with that kind of storyline!

You definitely get the idea that certain people are 'nexus' sorts, don't you.

Keep us posted...

Jan

[Harrdy]

I'm throu, happy and sad the same time. Yes, the end is fulfilling, but there could be so much more *sigh*

Nice touch that the revealing of "the secret" - although rightfully feared - gave the people a chance to get informations about "the enemy". I think it is that way with most real live situations, you tend to be to careful with your truth, tend to tell only what you think the other can handle, and in the end the other one hasn't got all the information and makes bad decicions, chooses bad. Not that I would cheerlead recklessness, but everybody has a right to know the truth. I liked that aspect of the last episode (or was it the one before the last, saw through all left, so it kinda blurred *g*).

I also liked the end itself, a different route than "normaly" humanity takes, even if it seemed nearly a little bit to much "Star Trek" "goody good" to me. But after all, we learned that humanity has changed since the "Big D", so it could be possible for that to happen. And you don't know for sure how it turns out, so my rather grim view on reality and what is possible and what not could be played out, we might never know (which is kind of sad and good the same time).

The last parts where quite "old school" Tragic, loosing (Health, loved ones, etc.) means gaining an advantage, and things like that... makes the characters IMHO more believable. Also it emphased that having good intentions doesn't do anything by itself, you have to act accordingly to your intentions. But putting your intentions over the people means serving an ideal (like Daniel) and therefore forgetting the needs... quite well played out IMHO.

Sad, no more Jeremiah in the forseeable future, only thing left is to hook up my friends with that excellent Stuff 8-)

Remember how Delenn had to tell Marcus that he had to let go of the pain of his losses?

I think sometimes the known devil ist (seemingly) the lesser evil. The unknown is what most people feel uncomfortable about, just think how many people fear death, because (IMHO) it is the big, big unknown. Is there something "after", or not... how would it be? Surely enough we find in religion and science (which tends to be another religion nowadays) answers, but true to our heart, we don't know. And we (I at least) can only let so much unknown in our live...
And I tend to blend out more when I am in a worse state, meaning dropping in depressions or even "only" social phobia. And the more I blend out the more I am helpless. Kind of spirales down, when I don't break it early enough. "Insanity, the perfect reasonable answer to a crazy world", how somebody (forgot who) put it... but I am still not sure if it not to narcisstic to see it that way. Remembering "hope manages" (correction: faith manages!) helps... and sometimes, when I open up to the - until then - unknown, I look back and ask myself why I was so afraid...

PeAcE

[Garibaldi's Hair]

I have just finished watching S2, and all I can say is "Awesome". If JMS had been allowed to continue Jeremiah to a conclusion I firmly believe that it could have bettered B5 ... it was just so much more consistently strong right from the off than B5 was, and some of the character stuff was amazing.

As far as S2 is concerned, I thought the ending was great, and I got that real "OMG, that's it ... it's over!" feeling about it, just like at the end of SiL. And if you have to leave a show on a cliffhanger, what a cliff to leave it on! Outstanding.

What surprised me most was not that I loved Mister Smith, which I expected right from the off, but how strongly other characters came to the fore.

I actually thought S2 belonged to Kurdy and Mister Smith in many ways - the dynamic of their relationship was always compelling and Kurdy grew in some really interesting ways as a character because of it, whereas Jeremiah was just ... well, Jeremiah.

The relationship between Marcus and Lee was well done, and very believable, and Erin's character was deepened considerably even in the limited time we saw her ... and that's on top of Ingrid Kavelaars eminent watchability for other, shallower, reasons.

All in all, well worth the time and effort expended to get hold of these 15 hours of classic television.

Colour me first in the queue if there is ever a proper DVD release.

[Jan]

I actually thought S2 belonged to Kurdy and Mister Smith in many ways - the dynamic of their relationship was always compelling and Kurdy grew in some really interesting ways as a character because of it, whereas Jeremiah was just ... well, Jeremiah.

I think that the next season would have shown some major changes for Jeremiah. The second season showed some for him but it was more subtle and the clue was in the opening theme-that of moving on and leaving the past behind. In the first season he was so obsessed with finding Valhalla Sector that the idea of settling down and having a relationship was completely out of the question.

As for Kurdy, I agree, he came a long way. Imagine the Kurdy who stole J's fish being responsible for training the Western Alliance troops. Never happen.

Smith...I wonder what would have become of him without his voice. Wish we could have found out! And the children...that was an interesting thread that got dropped.

The relationship between Marcus and Lee was well done, and very believable, and Erin's character was deepened considerably even in the limited time we saw her ... and that's on top of Ingrid Kavelaars eminent watchability for other, shallower, reasons.

I'd've loved to find out what happened with Theo, too.

Colour me first in the queue if there is ever a proper DVD release.

And me on this side of the Atlantic. Only thing better would be if there were a hope of JMS commentary but, given how the relationship ended, that's unlikely.

So glad you liked it. Good television can be habit-forming, huh?

Jan

[Harrdy]

I'd've loved to find out what happened with Theo, too.

Same here, but after that last episode with her (expecting birth) I think she is on the "right track". She has an attitude, but her inner self surfaced within the Thunder Mountain. It would be interresting to see if she can hold on to that new self in her city, as woman in charge...

As for Mr. Smith loosing "The Voice". It was not sure for me if he has totally lost it. I thought it could also be that he didn't hear anything on that day and later on he would hear something again. But then if someone else hears it he cannot any longer? Could be, I am not totally sure about that.

But it would have been interresting to see his character growing after loosing the voice. He didn't want to live anymore and ONLY the voice urged him to go on. Does he now have a reason for living (I would guess yes, but then again does he fully understand what is important in live?)? Or would he - given enough time - struggle again, being torn between jokes about his voice (he cannot any longer hear) and shortcommings? He has an enormous inner strength that he doesn't know or fully know is there, shown as he confronts the bad Arcenemy himself. *I* would have peed in my pants, but then we don't know if he did that, either *g*

There where changes with Jeremiah in the second season, when he stops writing letters to his dad, then begins again. When he gets confronted with his driving urge - his father - and finds out that it isn't (only) about finding him, that he used his search as an excuse to go on. Also the betrayal touches very deep pain, resurfacing the loosing of his parents (possibly) and questioning his opening to another person. Maybe that part didn't get enough time in the second season, I for one would take longer to trust again (I DO take longer). Also him as a mayor... just not possible with Jeremiah he was in the first season, but after the betrayal we see that he questions this live he gotten into. So part of the reason for his change was her. So yes, I also believe we would have seen some changes in a possible season three, but to be honest, I have no idea into which direction.

I could see Jeremiah breaking his bonds again and roaming the streets, returning to the live he knows best, but I also could see him interwoven into the new alliance, getting all political. But it would take some time for him to adjust to that, and I ask myself *why* would he walk that path? There need to be a reason for him, maybe another person he wants to live with?

The most funny idea is for him and Theo to get together, heck, that would be fun to watch. 8o)

PeAcE

[The Puzzled Pak'Ma'Ra]

... The Jeremiah section of this site has been all but dead since I joined the JMS News clan, and I always wondered why . . .

... I went and got Jeremiah S1 on DVD via EBay. Came yesterday and I've watched the first four eps so far . . .

... I am easily entertained. I'm watching these episodes and I'm enjoying myself, more or less . . . but some of these writers ought to be beaten with their terrible scripts, I keep thinking (paper cuts really hurt, you see).

... They can't ALL be as awesome as Babylon 5, obviously, but this show... it's kind of difficult to believe it's a JMS piece of work.

... I don't mean to be negative. Like I said, I AM entertained. I'm just not very impressed, I guess. This show ran 2 seasons, while Crusade got the axe after one? Boggles the imagination.

... Nuff said. I'm going to watch the next ep. Cheers, all.