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  • #46
    S3 has been okay. I flip flop a lot on whether I like the show that much as a whole.

    Has anyone else noticed that vast abundance of 'emotional' character beats that just aren't earned or built up to at all. For example, we are supposed to get all emotional about mirror universe Phillippa, but I just don't feel like the character has earned that level of viewer attachment at all. Burnham also still feels weirdly un-relatable to me. I have the same with most of the cast. The whole thing with Tilly as number one just also feels forced to me, and again, it's super hard to buy into.

    I dunno, it has just made a lot of narrative jumps that feel jarring or eye rolling. On the whole, still watching and it's fun, but it feels like I'm watching a slightly hokey new SF show and not Trek. When you have shows like Mando and The Exapnse totally nailing their plot / character beats, it just feels a bit lacking in the writing department.
    Last edited by Ubik; 01-01-2021, 08:32 AM.
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    • #47
      I lost track of the show during it's last season, I think. Once my fav character left, I was too bored. I did love the cat, and that Michael's boyfriend risks his life to save space whales, and other endangered animals. I though that was really cool and unique. But like with every trek show before, I always lose interest after a few seasons. I thought this one might be the first one I watch all the way through. And maybe I will, one day. I don't know. I liked how technology evolved, although, I'm not sure how I feel about the burn, and everything happening with that.

      The modern form of storytelling does tend to skip over characters earning things. Earning/training, anything requiring patience seems to have gone out of fashion. You're told who the characters are, and how you're supposed to feel about them, and expected to just go with it.

      Part of this may be the miniaturized versions of seasons now. The UK has had decades of practice doing mini-series, but this is still new for American writers, so maybe they're just trying to skip characterization to make room for plot. When the majority of your budget is blown on special effects, things like plotting and characterization tend to go out the spaceshield.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Delenn_of_Mir View Post
        I lost track of the show during it's last season, I think. Once my fav character left, I was too bored. I did love the cat, and that Michael's boyfriend risks his life to save space whales, and other endangered animals. I though that was really cool and unique. But like with every trek show before, I always lose interest after a few seasons. I thought this one might be the first one I watch all the way through. And maybe I will, one day. I don't know. I liked how technology evolved, although, I'm not sure how I feel about the burn, and everything happening with that.

        The modern form of storytelling does tend to skip over characters earning things. Earning/training, anything requiring patience seems to have gone out of fashion. You're told who the characters are, and how you're supposed to feel about them, and expected to just go with it.

        Part of this may be the miniaturized versions of seasons now. The UK has had decades of practice doing mini-series, but this is still new for American writers, so maybe they're just trying to skip characterization to make room for plot. When the majority of your budget is blown on special effects, things like plotting and characterization tend to go out the spaceshield.
        I think your analogy is bang on the money. Picard suffered from the same issue too, all plot and no character development, so it also felt very hollowed out and weird. I still had no idea who the extended crew really were by the end of S1. Disco is doing slightly better, but I do want to get to know more of the crew.

        I don't mind the burn stuff. I kinda want them to have their own continuity that's not too wedded to existing Trek. It still feels like there's a lot of potential for this show that isn't always realised.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Ubik View Post

          I think your analogy is bang on the money. Picard suffered from the same issue too, all plot and no character development, so it also felt very hollowed out and weird. I still had no idea who the extended crew really were by the end of S1. Disco is doing slightly better, but I do want to get to know more of the crew.

          I don't mind the burn stuff. I kinda want them to have their own continuity that's not too wedded to existing Trek. It still feels like there's a lot of potential for this show that isn't always realised.
          Don't get me started on Picard! *teehee* I actually really loved their season one until the end. It reminded me of Thirdspace. But that ending was such a letdown. I do agree that the characterization was pretty much nil. There was a ton of potential there, but the writing was frustratingly shallow. I started off loving the Picard premiere, and then falling out of love a little bit, episode by episode.

          Discovery is better than Picard, I'll give you that!

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          • #50
            So... I hear DISCO is back for a fourth season and is deeply incoherent. Looking forward to it.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Ubik View Post
              So... I hear DISCO is back for a fourth season and is deeply incoherent. Looking forward to it.
              Two episodes in, and frankly DISCO just gives me a giant headache. Seriously, Episode S4E02 seemed like it was just constant shouting and rotating camera angles. Really hard to watch.

              Unsure why every season now has to be 'the galaxy is going to end if Michael Burnham does't sort it". It may as well be called Star Trek: Burnham. I really really yearn for the TNG and DS9 days which gave space for a real ensemble cast and there was ample screen time dedicated to the other members of the crew. I still can't remember the names of like 75% of the bridge crew, except Tilly and Saru. I like some of these characters, but characterisation is wafer thin at times. We need a reason to care. I think it's partly the curse of truncated seasons and the curse of the somehwat slavish devotion to the season long arc, which will likely be unsatisfying.

              I honestly want B5 back to show other shows how it's done. Strangely, you know what would be super original right now, a show without a season long arc!

              So yeah, it's just more of the same and it hasn't really improved much. Will I watch the rest of the season, probably.... it's January, it's dark and cold and you gotta do something on an evening.
              Last edited by Ubik; 01-19-2022, 01:15 AM.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Ubik View Post
                Strangely, you know what would be super original right now, a show without a season long arc!
                Would that possibly be coming to Hulu in March?
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                • #53
                  Okay, so... I really quite liked S4E04 'All is Possible'...

                  Wow, actual meaningful character development (Tilly, Saru, Book and Hugh) and no arc stuff. It felt like a regular Trek episode with a good A and B plot. More of this please!

                  I was jokingly thinking that this season feels like Star Trek: Everyone goes to therapy.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Ubik View Post

                    I was jokingly thinking that this season feels like Star Trek: Everyone goes to therapy.
                    S04E05... Oh dear god, now the ship is in therapy too.

                    Oh man, this is so dumb...
                    Last edited by Ubik; 01-22-2022, 04:25 AM.
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                    • #55
                      Okay, made it to the end of the mid season break.

                      I liked one episode, the rest was a bit tedious and at times laugh out loud bad. I really just want a cool away mission, but noooo... let's talk about our feelings for 75% of the episode. Whilst I love how socially progressive Trek is, I feel like I am being preached at a lot with this season... and it just smacks of bad writing.

                      I'll watch the rest of the season, but man... this is not what I want out of new Trek. At this point, maybe it's just generational and this isn't for me. I keep hoping Discovery will finally find it's feed and cement itself as a 'good Trek', but it's so tonally inconsistent and all over the place.
                      Last edited by Ubik; 01-23-2022, 05:15 AM.
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