Jeremiah season two

[Lyta]

I guess I can kick start this forum.

What did people think of the season two premiere? I am still trying to update my site so there is no time for a review right now.

[Haze]

The first episode of season two was great and I'm looking forward to part II. I think this season is shaping up to be exciting, but in the back of my mind I can't help but already be disappointed that if/when there isn't a season 3, JMS won't be involved.

Enjoy what we've got right?

-Haze

[Mr. Smith]

I enjoyed the first episode of season two, but was slightly let down, as well. I was expecting to be a little more impressed with Valhalla Sector than I actually was-- it just seemed to be Thunder Mountain with old people.

That said, there were a lot of great moments. I pretty much loved every scene with Mr. Smith (hence the user name) and was left wanting more. Intriguing character played by an excellent actor-- what more could one want? I'm very anxious to see where his story winds up going. It was also nice seeing Kurdy running around, although I preferred Lee as a traitor. Too many switches in too little time (start of episode 19 he's a good guy, episode 20 he's a traitor, 21 he's a good guy again. I wish the traitor portion had had time to breathe.)

I also wish there had been more time spent on Markus' situation as well as the fall-out of the Big Meeting, but I imagine that will come in time.

Last thing I'll say is that I was also disappointed that Ezekiel appears to be dead. He was a great character and I held out hope he was only severely wounded and Kurdy or someone would patch him up, but doesn't appear to be the case.

Anyway, looking forward to tonight's episode, especially after JMS' words that how they deal with Valhalla Sector is chilling (or something to that effect).

[Lyta]

I am enjoying season two very much but wish there was time that could have been spent explaining certain things. Maybe they will revisit it later.

BTW, I am pretty sure the character's name is "Mister Smith" (as in "first name Mister, last name Smith) but that is a minor nitpick.

[Sil]

I really like the season two premiere. At the end of season one, Jeremiah looked to be another show about The Good Guys vs The Bad Guys (not that it's always bad, but not what I hoped for). I was hoping it would be more about building the new world, and after Letters from the Other Side part 2 it looks like that may be the case.

One thing I didn't like though is how Meaghan got through her days in VS. Unless this is explained in a future episode (which seems unlikely), I find it hard to believe that the dying people inside the complex would let her just walk around while they suffered a terrible death that she caused.

The scene with her and Marcus was very good though, and I think Peter Stebbings did an excellent job in it.

Concerning Mister Smith, it is going to be interesting to find out how he gets his information. I doubt "God" will be the final explanation for his information, that will be too easy for JMS

Overall, I really like the two-parter and can't wait for the story to go on

[Lyta]

Originally posted by Sil
One thing I didn't like though is how Meaghan got through her days in VS. Unless this is explained in a future episode (which seems unlikely), I find it hard to believe that the dying people inside the complex would let her just walk around while they suffered a terrible death that she caused.

I don't really have a problem with this because I assumed that she was assigned a place to stay right away and after she made sure everyone was infecting each other at the party, she would have barricaded herself in her room (or somewhere else). She could have easily secured herself before anyone realized what was happening.

Concerning Mister Smith, it is going to be interesting to find out how he gets his information. I doubt "God" will be the final explanation for his information, that will be too easy for JMS

I don't think we will ever find out. JMS and Sean have said that it is never really explained in the show. I like that it will be a mystery and up to us to interpret and determine what it means.

[Sil]

Originally posted by Lyta
I don't really have a problem with this because I assumed that she was assigned a place to stay right away and after she made sure everyone was infecting each other at the party, she would have barricaded herself in her room (or somewhere else). She could have easily secured herself before anyone realized what was happening.

Yes, it is possible of course and JMS' work is usually with few holes like that. But would still like to have that explicitly mentioned. As the VS lockdown was shown, I am left feeling that her death was handled this way to make good scenes with Jeremiah and his father and Marcus, and not because it was part of a well thought out story (as we all love JMS' work for).

But it's not that big a deal. The episodes had a couple of things that didn't quite work for me, but nothing major enough to keep the episodes from being good. The explanation for keeping the real reason for the attack was a bit fuzzy imo. Kurdy heard about the sleeper agent for the first time during Lee's address to TM, but he had agreed to keep the attack plan secret. Why? Also the way the time progressed during the lockdown was a bit strange. If I remember correctly, Marcus' helicopter lands after we have seen the countdown going down to less than an hour, but he decided to head to VS as soon as he got back to the base. That looks like very long helicopter ride

Originally posted by Lyta
I don't think we will ever find out. JMS and Sean have said that it is never really explained in the show. I like that it will be a mystery and up to us to interpret and determine what it means.

Too early in the morning here for me to start searching up the quotes, but didn't JMS say something along the lines of "I would like to keep the question open for a while" when talking about Mister Smith and if he was nuts or a real messenger from God.

[Lyta]

Originally posted by Sil
Yes, it is possible of course and JMS' work is usually with few holes like that. But would still like to have that explicitly mentioned. As the VS lockdown was shown, I am left feeling that her death was handled this way to make good scenes with Jeremiah and his father and Marcus, and not because it was part of a well thought out story (as we all love JMS' work for).

Agreed but I also start to wonder about everything that doesn't work was one of MGM's "henious" interferences. JMS is usually better at those kind of things right?

Also the way the time progressed during the lockdown was a bit strange. If I remember correctly, Marcus' helicopter lands after we have seen the countdown going down to less than an hour, but he decided to head to VS as soon as he got back to the base. That looks like very long helicopter ride

Yeah, I had the same exact problem with this as well. I posted similiar observations on my own board and on RASTB5M. I think it may have been another MGM interference or just some major miscommunication somewhere along the line. I figured the countdown clock in the lab was supposed to show that 35 hrs had past instead of only 35 mins left. It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Too early in the morning here for me to start searching up the quotes

You can always look them up on my site but here are a few choice ones.

JMS AT MGM SAID:
OCT.2003
Mister Smith is kind of an enigma. This is a man who says he hears from God. He doesn't speak to God he doesn't pray to God. God speaks through him to other people. And we never really clearly establish if he's actually hearing these voices if he's making this all up, if he's a charlatan or if he's just plain nuts.

ASTIN AT DREAMWATCH SAID:
MAR.2003
The premise of the character is that he's either an unwitting prophet or a fool, and Joe [Michael Strazcynski] hasn't told me which. He wants the audience to make up their own mind about it. So either God is talking through me, as Mister Smith claims, or he's not.

If you want more info/quotes on Smith visit:

http://abyss.hubbe.net/jeremiah/cast/main.html#smith

[Jan]

Originally posted by Lyta
Agreed but I also start to wonder about everything that doesn't work was one of MGM's "henious" interferences. JMS is usually better at those kind of things right?

I wondered that too. Still, though, these episodes were so massive in terms of exposition to bring new viewers up to speed, I figured that some things just got left out.

JMS only had 15 shows to tell this whole season's story and he was using two to wrap up the previous season. I thought that with the addition of a small 'b' story (Like how Theo was making life difficult for her captors?), that 'Letters' could easily have gone 3 episodes. That would have chewed up 1/5 of the season, though.

Wish I could check out the script to see what got dropped! <g>

Jan

[Sil]

Originally posted by Lyta
If you want more info/quotes on Smith visit:
http://abyss.hubbe.net/jeremiah/cast/main.html#smith

Ah, the one I almost remembered was there as well.

JMS AT SCI FI MAGAZINE SAID:
APR.1.2003
His name is Mister Smith. That's his proper name, Mister Smith. No first name, just Mister. Mister is his first name. So they're addressing him as "So this is Mister Smith, who hears from God on occassion." This guy isn't particularly proselytizing, he's just this poor jamoke who is God's sock puppet from time to time and spitting out things that God thinks the world should hear.

Whether he actually is hearing these things from God or if he's making them up--or if he's just plain nuts--is a question we kind of play around with. I would rather not define that for a while but he ends up being a very important ally to Kurdy and our characters, to whom he is drawn because, as he says, "You guys are going to make history; I'm here to record it." He's a very eccentric character, also at times a very funny character because he is just a full-tilt bozo.

But judging from the other quotes, he made that clearer later. Oh well, I'll still keep hoping for nice explanation

[Lyta]

Originally posted by Sil
Oh well, I'll still keep hoping for nice explanation

Well, I am actually kind of glad it is being kept open. I think it is more fun to make up your own mind about what he hears and I do look forward to some interesting debates and dialoge later on too.