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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    It'll be interesting to find out more of BPO's motives. Jonas postulated that being sensate may have been the way everybody was in the beginning and that not being sensate wast a mutation so it could just be that BPO likes it that way.

    Jan
    I am interested by the need to control the sensates and the justification for it too. They seem to pose little threat, but we don't really know the full scale of their powers yet!

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  • Jan
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    It'll be interesting to find out more of BPO's motives. Jonas postulated that being sensate may have been the way everybody was in the beginning and that not being sensate wast a mutation so it could just be that BPO likes it that way.

    Jan

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    Okay, I'll bite - what parallels? Given that from what we know so far, BPO is the antithesis of Psi Corps, then our cluster can't equate with rogue teeps. So what am I missing?

    Jan
    I'm being quite 'broad brush strokes' with the comparison. Just the 'otherness' vs. 'normal', is a theme we see in both Sense8 and with the telepaths in B5.

    However, Sense8 seems to be more about empathy and interconnectedness, so perhaps that flies in the face of this particular comparison. In many ways the Sensates don't seem to pose a threat to anyone really, as there's no invasion of privacy as with teeps. I guess it's that bigger theme of 'what happens when people are intimately connected to one another?'

    The only 'threat' I can fathom is that being a sensate could perhaps spread or become the norm for everyone? I have no idea how clusters are created or spread, although we get some heavy hints in S1. If being a sensate could become more widespread, the result would be to dispel hatred, division, war, killing, etc. So who does that threaten? One could postulate that it would be those who thrive on and gain from division and hatred, perhaps political bodies, the military industrial complex. I hope it's not that simple, as I'm slightly tired of fiction that simply does the 'goverments are baaaad / corporation are baaaad' thing. However I see no hints its going this way as a show! I hope it keeps exploring the human condition the way S1 did.

    Okay, that response got slightly railroaded, but I had fun.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by Ubik View Post
    When we first got word of Sense8, this was also my thinking. There are definitely parallels. I will be intrigued to see how Sense8 ramps up as it goes, and do wonder if there will be large scale conflict looming on the horizon. It will be interesting to see if Whispers is the 'Bester' of Sense8.
    Okay, I'll bite - what parallels? Given that from what we know so far, BPO is the antithesis of Psi Corps, then our cluster can't equate with rogue teeps. So what am I missing?

    Jan

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by JoeD80 View Post
    It's interesting to read the introduction to "The Corps Is Mother, The Corps Is Father" in light of 'Sense8', with the page-and-a-half there on Joe thinking about doing a series on telepaths and how they would exist in society. I wonder how much of his ideas from back then are going in to that new show now!
    When we first got word of Sense8, this was also my thinking. There are definitely parallels. I will be intrigued to see how Sense8 ramps up as it goes, and do wonder if there will be large scale conflict looming on the horizon. It will be interesting to see if Whispers is the 'Bester' of Sense8.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by JoeD80 View Post
    I wonder how much of his ideas from back then are going in to that new show now!
    Good point. We did see from the way various ideas for episodes changed that JMS never lets an idea go until it's used.

    Jan

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  • JoeD80
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    It's interesting to read the introduction to "The Corps Is Mother, The Corps Is Father" in light of 'Sense8', with the page-and-a-half there on Joe thinking about doing a series on telepaths and how they would exist in society. I wonder how much of his ideas from back then are going in to that new show now!

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  • JoeD80
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    Here's some interesting notes on "Darkness Ascending":

    Some of the introductory shots of the episode were shot for others:

    1. Ext. Babylon 5

    Use the dark B5 image from "And the Sky Full of Stars."
    2. Int. Zocalo

    Garibaldi, bloodied and battered, staggers through the back entrance by the transport tubes. Before him is a scene of mass destruction. Fill this out with unused shots from "Thirdspace" showing lots of dead bodies on the deck, carnage and fire.
    There are a couple of interesting differences from script to screen in this episode:

    The script has Londo and Vir's scene following Delenn and Lennier's, but the episode jumps to Lyta's scene with the Businessman after Delenn and Lennier, and then goes to Londo and Vir's scene. Lyta's scene in the script is in Act Two following the scene of Lise chewing out Garibaldi instead of in Act One as it appears in the final episode.

    Lennier makes a long speech about "thinking like a Centauri thinks" in the script, mentioning that the Centauri withdrew from Narn because it was too expensive, but the episode jumps from his first sentence to his last sentence and skips all of his history knowledge.

    In the script Garibaldi says that Dr. Franklin was at Sakai's engagement dinner. This was a continuity error that was fixed later before the episode aired

    Interesting Garibaldi dialogue in the script at the end of the dinner that was changed in the final episode:

    Script:
    Can we just have a nice, quite, romantic dinner, go back to my place, rut like weasels and eat potato chips in bed until dawn?
    Episode:
    Now why don't you and I just have a romantic quiet evening, just the two of us, and then we'll go back to my quarters and we'll make up for all that time that we've been missing.
    In the script, Garibaldi mentions that Ivanova took all her coffee plants from the station so that the coffee he gets at the restaurant isn't real.

    In the script, Sheridan asks Montoya if Minbari fighters can land on planets, and Montoya says they are designed for zero-g non-atmoshperic operation and would crash and burn in the atmosphere.

    Sheridan's dialogue at the beginning of Act Four about feeling guilty over Anna's death is missing from the final episode.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro View Post
    And for those of you that aren't comic book geeks (specifically the Legion of Super Heroes), Durlans are the shape-changing race of which Chameleon Boy is a member. I'll bet that helps you sleep tonight.
    Thanks, Joe. I had wondered but hadn't gotten around to trying to find out.

    It's not hard to tell that B5's crew were major genre fans. Witness the 'THX 1138' I found engraved on the prop I bought a couple of weeks ago. Obviously they had fun at their jobs.

    Jan

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by glindros View Post
    Is there a particularly outstanding book I should hit first?
    Oh my...well, just from memory...

    V3 is hilarious
    V4 has a partial script for an unmade episode
    V6 has JMS's tribute to Andreas Katsulas
    V10 has an outline for an alternate season 5

    But there's goodies in every single one.

    Jan

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  • Joe Nazzaro
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    And for those of you that aren't comic book geeks (specifically the Legion of Super Heroes), Durlans are the shape-changing race of which Chameleon Boy is a member. I'll bet that helps you sleep tonight.

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  • JoeD80
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    Ah, I see from the latest jms post it's actually No DurLans....

    Actually, it's No Durlans, for all the comics fans...B5 had had enough
    problems with shape-shifters over the years....

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  • glindros
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    My books came in yesterday. I'm going to open them tonight.

    Is there a particularly outstanding book I should hit first?

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  • JoeD80
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    There's some neat stuff in this volume. One interesting thing I noticed in the photos: The customs area says "Forbidden on Babylon 5: Dust, Weapons, Fighting, Durians" -- I wonder why you can't bring that particular fruit on to B5? Maybe jms didn't like them

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  • JoeD80
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    Sounds like he didn't like any of the Drakh:

    Didn't like the design, didn't like the characters, didn't like anything about them
    Bad idea. Top to bottom, front to back, side to side, end to end. Dumb.
    The commentary in Volume 9 on "Lines of Communication" doesn't mention the side-plot involving the Minbari and the Drakh at all.

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