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    Just found this on the moderated newsgroup:

    Title: from jms re: script book info
    Author: [email protected]
    Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:58:25 +0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <[email protected] com>

    Now that the first books have gone out and begun to arrive at their
    destinations, I thought I'd jump in with a quick update on all this.

    Regarding the delay of two days on the first copies getting out...it's
    the B5 tradition. You can tell someone about B5 folks, but until they
    see what follows, it's like trying to tell someone about Hurricane
    Katrina coming in...you don't really understand what that means until
    it comes to your front door. So they've been hustling like crazy to
    catch up on orders, with a lot of folks being upgraded to next day
    shipping without charge.

    Now that they know what to expect, they've said that volume two won't
    be a problem.

    Some have asked about the limited edition aspect of all this, so to
    elaborate...over the next six months or thereabouts, we will be
    releasing a new volume about every 3-4 weeks (instead of 2-3 weeks to
    help ease the burden on the printers and a bit of a refractory period
    for B5 folk). That will take roughly six months.

    After the 14th volume goes up, we will keep the site open for an as-yet
    undetermined period...most likely about 90 days, give or take, to let
    folks jump in and flesh out any volumes they're missing, and put in the
    info for the free 15th volume.

    At the end of that period...the site comes down. No more copies will
    be made. There will be no inventory, no back-orders, ONLY the ones
    that have been actually bought will exist. This will help to ensure
    that the books have collectible value for the fans who buy them. We
    may do Crusade thereafter, or Twilight Zone, but insofar as the B5
    script books...that's the end.

    Others have asked why I (and the B5 scripts team) are going through
    Cafe Press rather than a major publisher. The answer is very simple:
    over the years, I've had many publishers approach me about publising
    the B5 scripts, but they take the same timid line WB has always taken
    about the show. We had to push like hell to get the DVDs released, and
    they still insisted on testing the water...putting out one disc first
    (same with the VHSs) to "test the waters"....and of course now the DVDs
    have grossed half a billion bucks for WB.

    So when the publishers approached me, it was with the same, "Well,
    let's put out one book now, the 'best of' scripts, then we can think
    about doing more down the road, so we can test the waters." When I
    explained that i wante all of the scripts to go out, all 14 volumes,
    nearly a hundred scripts...they couldn't even fathom such a thing.
    It's never been done, not on this scale. But with Cafe Press, we CAN
    do all 14 volumes.

    This collection is really the Rosetta Stone of the Babylon 5
    universe...and I wanted that to get out there in full, to kind of
    finish the job properly. Here's the scripts, here are the stories
    behind the scripts, the arc, the production, here are the photos and
    the memos, so that when it's done...it's really done. Again, we're
    talking here over 6,300 pages of material...14 volumes, each nearly an
    inch thick...it's just monumental.

    A few other places came and said they could do it, but their plan was
    to do even FEWER copies, limited edition stuff, hardcover, at a cost of
    sixty to two HUNDRED bucks per copy, which I thought was just way, way
    beyond the pale. The whole point of the exercise is to get this into
    the hands of as many people who want it as possible. The way we're
    doing it now, for a bit over four hundred bucks, folks can get all 14
    volumes, plus the 15th free, which is a heck of a lot more affordable,
    given what scripts and the like sell for on Ebay.

    For me, on a personal basis, it's been an amazing process to go back in
    time, through the memos, scripts and photos, and re-live those years.
    Which is one of the reasons why the intros/essays have been ballooning
    out in size...from 13,000 words to 15,000 to 18,000 words, not COUNTING
    the other material. I'm putting it all in...all the stuff nobody ever
    heard about...it's all going in here.

    And then, when it's done, the tale will at last be told in its
    entirety...the show, and the show *behind* the show.

    I've been very pleased that so many folks who've already received the
    first volume have said some great things about the it. This was our
    trial-and-error copy, and we will continue to expand and enhance and
    grow from here.

    Again, though, bear in mind that there is a ceiling on how long these
    will be available at www.babylon5scripts.com so if there's somebody who
    doesn't know about the site, you may want to let them know in time to
    get in while the Cafe Press price breaks will give them maximum
    benefit.

    The volume 2 should be out somewhere around Thanksgiving, which has all
    the cool stuff up through "Chrysalis," with volume 3 out sometime in
    early December (with all the info about how Michael York almost ended
    up as the captain of Babylon 5, the "final four" controversy, several
    characters who were going to be in the show as regulars but weren't,
    and other cool stuff) since I know a lot of folks were curious about
    season two material in particular (that's the 18K intro). I've also
    found a couple dozen one-paragraph to multi-page premises for episodes
    that never made it to full script, which will be included starting in
    volume 3, such as The Long Night of Susan Ivanova, The World Below, The
    Mysterious Mr. Jones, and a bunch of others.

    I have to be honest...I'm enjoying the hell out of this.

    jms

    message copyright (c) 2005
    synthetic worlds, ltd.
    permission to reprint
    specifically denied to sfx magazine
    "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

  • #2
    I have to be honest...I'm enjoying the hell out of this.

    jms
    The man sounds almost down-right giddy.

    with all the info about how Michael York almost ended
    up as the captain of Babylon 5

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    • #3
      Wait'll you see who was suggested as Galen. I certainly would have approved. Not that I was unhappy with Woodward, I just think it would have been cool.

      Jan
      "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jan
        Wait'll you see who was suggested as Galen.
        Is that going to be in Vol.3 as well, or a later volume?

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        • #5
          Later. Probably much later if it shows up at all. It was part of a memo that was attached to an outline/synopsis of 'A Call to Arms', then titled "Eve of Destruction' so if it appears, it'll be with the movies or with Crusade.

          Jan
          "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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          • #6
            So they've been hustling like crazy to
            catch up on orders, with a lot of folks being upgraded to next day
            shipping without charge.



            Well I must not be one of them who got the next day shipping mine got sent out standard even though I placed the order within hours after the site went online what was is it the 30 or 31 ?I think they should have given everyone who got a late shipping delay the faster shipping method .I don't think it is fair to give some the faster shipping method give it to all or none at all.
            I can't help to wonder how many people on this board will be getting the above due to card problems or shipping delay ?
            Last edited by Satai Delenn; 11-09-2005, 08:32 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jan
              Wait'll you see who was suggested as Galen. I certainly would have approved. Not that I was unhappy with Woodward, I just think it would have been cool.

              Jan
              C'mon tell us. I'm dying from the suspense!
              ---
              Co-host of The Second Time Around podcast
              www.benedictfamily.org/podcast

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Satai Delenn
                I don't think it is fair to give some the faster shipping method give it to all or none at all.

                Of course, we've got incomplete information. Who knows when the decission to upgrade was made? None of us here, that's for sure. Which means we don't know if everybody after that point was upgraded, do we? Making a judgment without data isn't really fair.

                C'mon folks...as was stated way back when this started, remember when orders, even online stated that one should allow 6-8 weeks for the merchandise? I know we're all anxious but let's cut them some slack on this first one. As JMS said, it happened with the VHS tapes, with the DVDs, and it happened with the Fan Club too, which JMS had a whole lot more control over than he does Cafe Press.

                Jan
                "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                • #9
                  I'm guessing that people that were upgraded were people that had bought two or three day shipping. Where most people bought the cheapest shiping they had. And as general rule if you pay less for shipping you feel you can wait a little longer. It doesn't seem right but thats how I would doing if I was running this bussness.


                  On a side note. I was hoping JMS would tell us how many scripts had been sold but JMS might be keeping that info close to his chest until B5scripts closes down.
                  "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOW - What a RIDE!"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Night Marshal
                    I'm guessing that people that were upgraded were people that had bought two or three day shipping. Where most people bought the cheapest shiping they had. And as general rule if you pay less for shipping you feel you can wait a little longer. It doesn't seem right but thats how I would doing if I was running this bussness.
                    Not me. I went with the economy shipping and the lady said I'd be upgraded.

                    Originally posted by thebaron
                    C'mon tell us. I'm dying from the suspense!
                    Nah, that'd be a spoiler. I probably shouldn't have said anything. We'll see what happens when the movies or Crusade books come out.

                    Jan
                    "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jan
                      Wait'll you see who was suggested as Galen. I certainly would have approved. Not that I was unhappy with Woodward, I just think it would have been cool.
                      Yup, I sure would have loved that, too.

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                      • #12
                        Wooo-hoooo! Just got my script books. Packed extremely well and in great shape. One gets put in a thick baggie to get put and and never messed with, the other is going to get very dog eared I bet.

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                        • #13
                          LOL, seems to me they messed the copyright up on the 2nd page "with the prior written consent .." instead of "without the prior written consent ...".

                          Maybe I'm reading it backwards though ...

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                          • #14
                            Just wondering ... there's a few things in the script books I'd like for us to discuss. Do we need topics for each of the books here, and do they need to be marked **Spoilers** and non-spoilers .. or what?

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                            • #15
                              My opinion is that it'd be easiest for people who don't jump in right away if there's a thread for each book. I wouldn't think we'd need spoiler tags since I think anybody getting the books will have seen the episodes.

                              IMO, of course...what do others think? And who wants to start?

                              Jan
                              "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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