Star Wars III - SPOILER EDITION

[Ranger1]

Thought this thread will come in handy for those who did see episode 3 and want to talk about it.

I thought it was good,very good...again,can't really compare it to the originals,but hell of a lot better then episodes 1 and 2.

The good things:
- Entire second part of the film was just perfect,i really dont have any other words to describe it.

- The idea behind 3PO getting his memory wiped was just a work of genius,it was just helerious!!!

- The FX (well duh)

- The lightsaber duels,not only obi vs. Anakin but all of em.

- The Emperor - that guy is just too good,from looking at the trailer i always thought that he will going to have many of slow pasting dialogs which will be kinda boring....boy was i wrong.

- The entire transformation of Anakin to the dark side was...fuc***g perfect,the scene that his holding on the rocks to keep him from falling into the lava and shouts "I HATE YOU" is burned right into my brain,i must say,one of the most powerful moments in cinema history (for me for me).

- The missing puzzle pieces that were missing are very well made to come to a result in this episode,the bridge between the prequel and the OT is well made.

The bad things:
- The first half of the movie had too much dialog,it is very neccesery but at the same time i think they could make them a bit shorter.

- I had a problem with the CGI version of the storm troopers (also in episode 2),real life people or more accurate,their movement are not well made in CGI as appose to the real storm troopers that you see on the OT's.

- The opening space battle: it was fuc***g awesome,but for some reason i expected a bit more...duno,maybe i was expecting a bit too much.

- Few open questions that weren't answered...such as: how does Leia remember her real mother if she died at birth?
Who the hell was Syfo-Dias? (heard all sorts of explanations from fans but didn't get a real answer).

One personal question that i didnt understand:
When Obi Wan gets to this planet (don't know the name) to refuel his ship,he leaves and then you see him hiding looking at his ship flying...whats going on here? who was inside the ship flying it?

[SpooRancher]

I didn't see anything that was really a surprise, but, overall it was not badly done.

I am assuming that Leia's step mother is going to die somewhere in her early childhood, thus her remembering a mother who was kind but sad (probably sad because it is kinda obvious that Bail Organa is the initiator of the rebel resistance movement, even if he doesn't get caught.

As for how Obi-wan appears to fly off and is watching, the droid can autopilot, I'm sure, and it must have been "jedi mind trick".

Best lightsaber duel apart from Obi-Ani would be Obi-Grievous. 4 Light sabers? F****ing awesome!!!

[Ranger1]

As for how Obi-wan appears to fly off and is watching, the droid can autopilot, I'm sure, and it must have been "jedi mind trick".

A Jedi mind trick can work on an indevidual,and i don't think a Jedi can use that on a droid (Grevious bodyguard droid was watching).

[vacantlook]

how does Leia remember her real mother if she died at birth?

One, unborn children are affected by their mother's emotions and what stresses their mothers' go through while they're inside of them. Two, Leia's Force-sensitive, so it makes plenty of reasonable sense to me that she could have picked up even moreso on PadmÚ's emotions and stresses prior to PadmÚ's death.

Who the hell was Syfo-Dias? (heard all sorts of explanations from fans but didn't get a real answer).

I think there was a book released prior to RotS coming out that explained that Syfo-Dias was just another Jedi that Dooku's first test as a Sith was to kill him.

When Obi Wan gets to this planet (don't know the name) to refuel his ship,he leaves and then you see him hiding looking at his ship flying...whats going on here? who was inside the ship flying it?

The planet is Utapau. Obi-Wan has his droid fly the ship back to the clone army carrier and inform them as to when and where to start their attack when they finally arrive at Utapau.

[Ranger1]

Obi-Wan has his droid fly the ship back to the clone army carrier and inform them as to when and where to start their attack when they finally arrive at Utapau.

Yes but the Droids were looking from high up,how could Obi-wan just go unnoticed?

[Dr Maturin]

The planet is Utapau. Obi-Wan has his droid fly the ship back to the clone army carrier and inform them as to when and where to start their attack when they finally arrive at Utapau.

The novelization confirms this.

BTW, the novelization fucking rawks. I am considering not seeing the film so that I can keep the book locked into my mind as the only version of the story that I know.

[Dr Maturin]

<<how does Leia remember her real mother if she died at birth?>>

I don't know if you've watched it in English, but she says, "Just images, really. Feelings." She never said that she remembered her per se.

<<Who the hell was Syfo-Dias? (heard all sorts of explanations from fans but didn't get a real answer).>>

Syfo-Dias was the Jedi who was ordered to have the clone army made. Dooku left the Order and met Palpy. Palpy instructed him to kill Dias as a "loyalty" test, so to speak. Dooku then posed as Dias, recruiting Fett to be the template for the clones and having the Kaminoans program the clones with "Order 66."

Make sense?

[Redrake]

I didn't read any books except for the OT ones and I didn't see any animations series. So for me the way they fixed the things left out of the loop in the previous 2 movies was amazing. The way they handled C3PO memory (and the evil laugh of R2), the changing of Palpatine to a more morbid look and Obi Wan being called general, were things that I relly enjoyed.
I would have wanted for more wookies in the movie. Kashyyk battle seemed to me like KotoR2, good looking but a bit unfinished.
Also, can someone tell me what planet was that, where that Twi'Lek was killed? The one with flowers as big as trees.

[Ranger1]

<<how does Leia remember her real mother if she died at birth?>>

I don't know if you've watched it in English, but she says, "Just images, really. Feelings." She never said that she remembered her per se.

<<Who the hell was Syfo-Dias? (heard all sorts of explanations from fans but didn't get a real answer).>>

Syfo-Dias was the Jedi who was ordered to have the clone army made. Dooku left the Order and met Palpy. Palpy instructed him to kill Dias as a "loyalty" test, so to speak. Dooku then posed as Dias, recruiting Fett to be the template for the clones and having the Kaminoans program the clones with "Order 66."

Make sense?

1) Over here we only watch movies in their native language,dubbed is gay.
- I don't remember Leia's exact words,but yeah,i guess you are right,if thats true that means she knew that her adopting parents are not her real parents.

2) Bah,i hate all those EU crap...well...i knew why Grevious was coughing cus of Clone Wars animated series....ok,ok...but i still hate EU.

@Redrake: Took me some time to dig it up but i found it:

Felucia. A stronghold belonging to the Commerce Guild, Felucia is the site of a Republic mission led by the Twi'lek Jedi, Aayla Secura. Early in the development of Episode III, George Lucas planned on depicting the fall of the Separatist home-worlds in the Clone Wars, and each Separatist faction and species was given a distinct planet of their own. Felucia was to be home of Shu Mai and her Gossam people. The early artwork described it as a "kelp planet" and a "fungus planet."

[vacantlook]

...dubbed is gay.

I don't think I will ever find being an insult to be flattering. ::sigh::

Felucia. A stronghold belonging to the Commerce Guild, Felucia is the site of a Republic mission led by the Twi'lek Jedi, Aayla Secura. Early in the development of Episode III, George Lucas planned on depicting the fall of the Separatist home-worlds in the Clone Wars, and each Separatist faction and species was given a distinct planet of their own. Felucia was to be home of Shu Mai and her Gossam people. The early artwork described it as a "kelp planet" and a "fungus planet."

Ooo, nifty. I particularly enjoyed the design of Shu Mai and her people, so it's kinda nice that I also enjoy their planet.

[Garibaldi's Hair]

I don't remember Leia's exact words,but yeah,i guess you are right,if thats true that means she knew that her adopting parents are not her real parents.

When Luke and Leia spoke on the walkway in RotJ, Luke spoecifically asks her if she remembers her Mother ... her REAL Mother. So she knew she was adopted.

What I find most odd is this assertion by fans that Leia somehow remembers images and feelings of her real Mother because of the Force. If that were the case, surely Luke, who was born at roughly the same time (haven't seen EpIII yet, so I don't know who was born first) and is also pretty handy with the Force, would also have some memory of his Mother. Yet he says quite categorically "I have no memory of my Mother".

Or did GL change that in the Special Editions or DVD editions?

[Ranger1]

If that were the case, surely Luke, who was born at roughly the same time (haven't seen EpIII yet, so I don't know who was born first) and is also pretty handy with the Force, would also have some memory of his Mother. Yet he says quite categorically "I have no memory of my Mother".

Or did GL change that in the Special Editions or DVD editions?

Yeah it was shown on episode 3,Luke was born first.

[Laiden]

I think it was the best of all the PT because there wasnt any comparisons to the OT. in episode I, you can see the story was too similar to Episode IV (boy found on desert planet, big space battle, jedi dies, boy destroys station, big celebration) same with episode II and episode V (asteroid field with a Fett, the han solo/leia "I hate you, but love you" relationship was between anakin and padme', people captured, gloomy ending with guy and girl next to c-3po and R2D2). with episode III, I didnt really see that, I thought it truly was all by itself in storyline.

I felt that the movie had too much to tell in the short time, but the transition from anakin-vader was not rushed, it has to be considered that his love for padme' was there since episode I and his devotion to the ones he cares for have influenced his training to a Jedi so much that we really caught the "butt-end" of the conflict within. To me, I saw his allegience was more of a "deal with the devil" sort of resolve.

I know that lucas' plan was 3 films, but I think the prequels would've worked better if they were 4 films. the ammount of things put into episode III seemed like lucas was trying really hard to apease the fans and for that I applaud him, but it really need more time to develop, but it still is a fast paced and Great film. What I was drawn to was the twisting plot and deception.

[Redrake]

And in the end we can see general Tarkin around too. I liked how ships evolved. In Clone Wars we had those transporters, which now are starting to look more like star destroyers. Same goes with fighters. As for Obi Wan's speach after he defeated Vader, that was brilliant.

[Dr Maturin]

<<I don't remember Leia's exact words,but yeah,i guess you are right,if thats true that means she knew that her adopting parents are not her real parents>>

Especially considering that her skin color didn't match theirs?

I saw the movie on Sunday. Lots of retarded stuff with droids and romance, but comparatively excellent.

I must say that without reading the novelization a lot of things make less sense in the movie. I feel lucky that I did read the book first. One drawback is that the author's dialogue was far superior to the movie's, so it was kind of disappointing to hear some of the lame lines in the film.

One great line that should have been included in the movie was when Shu Mai was groveling before Vader and she says something to the effect of, "Sidious promised us that we'd be rewarded handsomely!" Vader replies, "I am your reward. Don't you find me handsome?"