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  • Jonas
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    Originally posted by Truth66 View Post
    With the extended version readily available, do people think the added scenes add to the story or slow the movie down in any way. Personally I like the extended version better. A good example is the scene where it shows the thriving colony before the arrival of the colonial marines.
    I think the extended version is better. More texture, more flavour. The new scenes are good. Not that the original is bad in any way.

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Jonas View Post
    Villeneuve is literally my least favourite director; I'd rather see Blade Runner as made by Uwe Boll. I'm sure it'll be visually stunning, agonizingly slow, and intellectually hollow, much like every movie he's gotten praised for. Gah.

    I wish some stories would just be left alone. Blade Runner was fine as it was. I'd be all in favour of a good Alien sequel - that's a story that lends itself to expansion - but nobody apart from James Cameron seems to know how to do it.

    Actually, somebody get JMS to write an Alien sequel...
    I thought Arrival was beautifully made. One of the better SF features of the past years that wasn't a half arsed sequel, prequel or reboot.
    Last edited by Ubik; 06-13-2017, 08:28 AM.

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  • Truth66
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    I have to agree with the comments that Aliens was a really great Alien sequel. It still remains as my all time favorite Sci Fi Horror Film.

    This reminds me, I need to watch it again (lol).

    A quick question for those Aliens fans:

    With the extended version readily available, do people think the added scenes add to the story or slow the movie down in any way. Personally I like the extended version better. A good example is the scene where it shows the thriving colony before the arrival of the colonial marines.

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  • Looney
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    Originally posted by Jonas View Post
    I'd rather see Blade Runner as made by Uwe Boll.
    I think you may have just placed a curse on Blade Runner by mentioning that name.

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  • Jonas
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    Villeneuve is literally my least favourite director; I'd rather see Blade Runner as made by Uwe Boll. I'm sure it'll be visually stunning, agonizingly slow, and intellectually hollow, much like every movie he's gotten praised for. Gah.

    I wish some stories would just be left alone. Blade Runner was fine as it was. I'd be all in favour of a good Alien sequel - that's a story that lends itself to expansion - but nobody apart from James Cameron seems to know how to do it.

    Actually, somebody get JMS to write an Alien sequel...

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  • Looney
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    All anyone needs to know about Alien Covenant can be garnered from the mess that was Prometheus. After that the Alien franchise should have found a way to ban Scott from involvement. Now we might have seen the final nail in the ALIEN coffin, but I doubt it. Likely it is just the nail that keeps it shut until Scott is no longer with us.

    I would have hope for Blade Runner 2049 because Scott isn't directing it, but I haven't really loved much of Villeneuve's work and Scott is still involved with the project. I can't say I dislike Villeneuve's work, but he hasn't impressed me as much as he has impressed others. Couple that with Scott being someone who is calling the shots and I am sure this movie is going to be all kinds of a mess. I will see it, but my expectations are as low as they can be.

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  • phazedout
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    I'm reporting (without permission, but he won't mind) John Vaughan's review of it. A friend forcibly dragged me to it anf well...
    So tonight I went to see Alien Covenant...Now as some of you know every year at Octocon , I run the Vaulties, a look back at some of the worst films of the year....well folks I think we have a winner because I HATED EVERY MINUTE OF THIS GARBAGE! I don't know who to blame more for this the writers or Ridley Scott...because some how they have managed to take an Iconic creation whose roots came from the b-movies of the fifties and somehow return it to the drek it had risen above. Characters? what character?...we get info dumps that are supposed to be characterization. Those same cookie cutter "characters" end up doing the most stupidest things, merely to propel the story along....remember Prometheus and the scientist who designed the mapping system yet somehow got lost? That is pulitzer prize winning logic compared to the stupidity in this one. I swear there is a sequence that had it been in a 80's slasher movie that would have made more sense and as for the Alien itself? Watch Ridley Scott p*** thirty years of continuity away with a chest buster sequence and an aftermath that if it wasn't so rage inducing would be quite frankly laughable. is there anything good in this ? well there's the cast , they do their best with z-movie dialog and logic (there is something wrong when Danny Mcbride is actually convincing in a serious role) but that is it, that's all ...they even have the cheek to re use key moments of Jerry Goldsmiths score from Alien just to remind you "hey don't forget when this was good." Do you know what truly is maddening about this...Scott had Neil Blomkamp's Alien project shot down for this?!?!?!...This turd of a b-movie which only Alien:Resurrection barely beats for being the crappiest. Outside of the cast , the team that produced this should hang their heads in shame....to everyone else do yourselves a favour and AVOID!
    On the bright side I'm off to see wonder woman today, so here's hoping.
    closing thoughts on that risbile pile of excrement above, I went in with literally zero expectations and was still disappointed, as John says, AVOID

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  • Looney
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    Originally posted by alpha128 View Post
    "Alien: Covenant" wasn't that bad.
    I believe that is the highest praise I've heard for this movie.

    Now Looney saw Wonder Woman today. I have to say that I thought it was the best of the D.C. movies to date. I also have to say it felt a LOT like a Marvel movie. I wouldn't say it is a brilliant movie. It is entertaining, but also has some missteps. And if I am being honest, Gal Gadot just doesn't do much for me. She seems too tall skinny 'model' pretty and not enough like I picture an athletic badass Amazon Warrior Princess. That being said I think Patty Jenkins did an excellent job. There are some things I would change, but I also REALLY feel like I got the Director's vision. If I look at this from a completely stand-alone perspective it might not seem as good as it does, but when comparing it to everything else they've done in D.C. Universe to date it is definitely a home run for me. Will I run out and buy the Blu-Ray - NOPE! But if I was forced to pick a D.C. movie to own this would be it. Unfortunately part of what prevents me from saying I would buy this movie is that my nature being what it is would incline me to have to purchase all of the D.C. Universe Films if I purchased this one. That is not going to happen.
    Last edited by Looney; 06-04-2017, 10:49 PM.

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Jonas View Post
    I liked Prometheus better, but I didn't like Prometheus.

    Rewatched Aliens a while ago - now that's a movie. Still holds up, and has genuine heart and depth.
    Agreed. "Aliens" was a follow-up movie done right. None of the subsequent films were anywhere near that standard.

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  • Jonas
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    I liked Prometheus better, but I didn't like Prometheus.

    Rewatched Aliens a while ago - now that's a movie. Still holds up, and has genuine heart and depth.

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Ubik View Post
    So, it's exactly what I feared it would be. Was disinterested at best, now I'll actively avoid it.
    "Alien: Covenant" wasn't that bad. I actually liked it better than "Prometheus", which had huge problems as pointed out by the brilliant Hitler rant.

    "Alien: Covenant" does however have a been there/done that quality to it. A lot of it plays like a remake of the original "Alien".

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Jonas View Post
    Watched Alien: Covenant. It's just terrible. Does awful things to the overall story, but is also just utterly stupid as a film in its own right. Might contain the dumbest characters I've seen in a horror movie. If you've seen the scene in the Lander, you know what I'm talking about. All it's missing is the Benny Hill theme song.
    So, it's exactly what I feared it would be. Was disinterested at best, now I'll actively avoid it.

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  • Jonas
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    Watched Alien: Covenant. It's just terrible. Does awful things to the overall story, but is also just utterly stupid as a film in its own right. Might contain the dumbest characters I've seen in a horror movie. If you've seen the scene in the Lander, you know what I'm talking about. All it's missing is the Benny Hill theme song.

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  • Looney
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    I believe I have posted my thoughts on Scott before, but here they are again. I have learned to attribute anything he has ever done that I love to blind luck. If I were ever able to pick a Top Ten favorite films of all time Blade Runner would have fallen into that category before Scott announced that certain lines of dialogue were just mistakes. Now I watch it and feel like I am being tricked. Now when I start losing myself in it I wonder if in fact someone else directed it and Scott took the credit. I can say that Blade Runner must be a testament to how making a film is a team effort. Clearly others had great influence on the project.

    And back to Alexander (2004), I completely agree with Jonas. I guess Oliver Stone should stick to stories that happened in his lifetime and make better casting choices. I know that the way he got the financing to make such an epic effort was by attaching those names to the project, but what a mistake. I'm not saying they are not talented actors, but I didn't feel the chemistry. And I have no idea if this aspect was meant to be historically accurate or what, but the black eyeliner was ridiculous.

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  • Jonas
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    For me, Scott's always been mixed. Some of his films I love, some I hate. Of his recent films, I enjoyed Robin Hood and The Martian quite a bit. Prometheus was disappointing, Exodus a disaster. My main problem with Prometheus/Alien: Covenant is that they seem hell-bent on taking the mystery out of the story, reducing everything to the actions of a handful of people.

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