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From Towelmaster's posting on the F911 thread.
The U.S. did nothing because a reduction of snow in New York and Amsterdam plus an increase in the agricultural land in Alaska does not sound like a problem.
No one has told Washington DC that keeping the temperatures of the Atlantic and Pacific below 27 degrees Centigrade is a matter of major national importance.
27 degrees is the water temperature at which hurricanes and typhoons form. To have a safety margin keep it under 25 degrees Centigrade.
Consequently some readers of this thread have had to do without electricity.
To prevent hurricanes U.S. Weather Control Laws will have to be tough, we are literally fighting the heat of the sun. The laws will also be expensive but so is the cost of doing nothing.
Plus the cost of the floods in California and the work lost because people were in the shelters.
No the only cooperation that 170 countries have shown is that they all have politicians that lie.
Example - how many hospitals in your country have been closed by the Environmental Police, and all their nurses fired, because they are using too much energy? None?
US politicians get a lot of hassle when they are caught lying so they try and avoid it. Ask Clinton.
Not for much longer. India and China are increasing their energy usage so that the USA's quota will some become less than 20%.
From Towelmaster's posting on the F911 thread.
Hi Andrew,
Well I just couldn't let it lie, sorry... Hope you don't mind.
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Originally posted by Andrew_Swallow
The Kyoto Treaty became a silly joke when India and China were exempt. That is where all the new factories and additional cars are going.
Environmentalists have had 4 years to write something that is not totally irrelevant. They have had 3 years to test the effectiveness of the new rules in environmentally friendly countries.
California is heavily into environmentalism and the USA is being attacked by hurricanes created by global warming. (For 40 years ending 12 years ago there were no hurricanes.) Consequently failure to have US support is an act of gross incompetence. Develop environmental rules that work by using hard facts, not play a game of impressing the boyfriend by emotional displays of caring.
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Exactly! So why did the U.S. do nothing? As the only superpower why did they fail to come up with alternative solutions? If you can come up with something like SDI surely you must be able to offer an alternative? Mind You : I do not single out the U.S. The rest of the world failed to do so too. But "neither did you" is not really an excuse once you grow to be over 10 years old.
Well I just couldn't let it lie, sorry... Hope you don't mind.
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Originally posted by Andrew_Swallow
The Kyoto Treaty became a silly joke when India and China were exempt. That is where all the new factories and additional cars are going.
Environmentalists have had 4 years to write something that is not totally irrelevant. They have had 3 years to test the effectiveness of the new rules in environmentally friendly countries.
California is heavily into environmentalism and the USA is being attacked by hurricanes created by global warming. (For 40 years ending 12 years ago there were no hurricanes.) Consequently failure to have US support is an act of gross incompetence. Develop environmental rules that work by using hard facts, not play a game of impressing the boyfriend by emotional displays of caring.
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Exactly! So why did the U.S. do nothing? As the only superpower why did they fail to come up with alternative solutions? If you can come up with something like SDI surely you must be able to offer an alternative? Mind You : I do not single out the U.S. The rest of the world failed to do so too. But "neither did you" is not really an excuse once you grow to be over 10 years old.
No one has told Washington DC that keeping the temperatures of the Atlantic and Pacific below 27 degrees Centigrade is a matter of major national importance.
27 degrees is the water temperature at which hurricanes and typhoons form. To have a safety margin keep it under 25 degrees Centigrade.
Consequently some readers of this thread have had to do without electricity.
To prevent hurricanes U.S. Weather Control Laws will have to be tough, we are literally fighting the heat of the sun. The laws will also be expensive but so is the cost of doing nothing.
Plus the cost of the floods in California and the work lost because people were in the shelters.
At least over 170 countries at least showed the spirit of cooperation. That alone is worth a lot. From one treaty comes another one, possibly a better one. Because what I see is that we are now in the fourth year of Bush' presidency and what may I ask, are the alternatives he has offered so far? None, absolutely nothing. More the other way around as you undoubtedly know. Alaska is no longer safe because "The roads must roll" to misquote Robert Anson Heinlein.
Example - how many hospitals in your country have been closed by the Environmental Police, and all their nurses fired, because they are using too much energy? None?
US politicians get a lot of hassle when they are caught lying so they try and avoid it. Ask Clinton.
You mentioned India and China being exempt of the restrictions in the Kyoto-treaty. That is very true, but they do not use up 25 % of all energy-supplies in the world, the U.S. does. They do not cause over 25 % of all pollution, the U.S. does. And the U.S. holds around what? - 300 million people? Compared to 6 billion worldwide. If we would distribute everything fairly the U.S. would only get 5 % of it all and the economy would come to a screeching halt.
So I would think that the Kyoto-treaty might at least have been a start. It would have been a signal. There are no easy roads in international politics...
BTW : To the best of my knowledge California is the only state in the U.S.A. that goes to such extremes in their environmental laws. But California does not sign international treaties, the president does(well....he can ).
BTW : To the best of my knowledge California is the only state in the U.S.A. that goes to such extremes in their environmental laws. But California does not sign international treaties, the president does(well....he can ).
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