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  • #16
    I guess it's all subjective...I didn't feel he really went off-topic. Besides, since this is the first political thread here at JMSNews, everyone should know that they tend to run about a bit.

    For an example, check out the political threads at B5tv sometime.

    He wasn't "Bush bashing," though I wouldn't really blame him for that. He was posting information. I'm never afraid to read information...especially when it's factual.

    Check out JMS' latest post for some insight into this.

    CE
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
      The debate ended when he posted the unrelated quotes that "backed up" his points. He had no points, that's the point. He completely ignored what we were discussing and what I said and started Bush-bashing. I am not inclined to defend President Bush. He can do that himself. Is that all he has to fall back on? Erroneous claims that "big business," for lack of a better term, have taken over? This...is...the USA. Private holdings are supposed to be in charge. Like I said before, socialism isn't in our mandate. If you want to live in a country with state-run commerce and business, then there are plenty of countries with such a system.
      Z - you practically baited and hooked his response. The little jibes at liberals were sprinkled throughout your posts - just because you didn't make it your main point doesn't mean no one noticed. So you made it part of the discussion. I saw it for what it was and didn't take the bait. He did. Now I'd recommend him a little more restraint on his part (and a lot less blather), but I'd say the same for you as well.
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      • #18
        <<Besides, since this is the first political thread here at JMSNews, everyone should know that they tend to run about a bit.>>

        I don't think it's the first, CE.
        Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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        • #19
          It's the first in a long time...the first solely political thread really, at least that I recall since I've been around, especially compared to b5tv.
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          • #20
            <<It's the first in a long time...the first solely political thread really, at least that I recall since I've been around, especially compared to b5tv.>>

            Well, there was the "Rampant, Irresponsible Political Thread."
            Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
              <<It's the first in a long time...the first solely political thread really, at least that I recall since I've been around, especially compared to b5tv.>>

              Well, there was the "Rampant, Irresponsible Political Thread."
              True...I had forgotten about that one. The frequency of such threads here is much, much less than they are at B5tv. There they're going constantly...many at time.

              CE
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              • #22
                This...is...the USA. Private holdings are supposed to be in charge. Like I said before, socialism isn't in our mandate. If you want to live in a country with state-run commerce and business, then there are plenty of countries with such a system.

                Wrong. Check out a bit of American history. The founding fathers didn't trust Corporations any more than they trusted Kings. The Voters were supposed to be in charge. You've heard of them? Elect Presidents & other fleas on the body politic?

                This is an excerpt from an article about the lawsuit over Nike's claim that corporations have the constitutional Right to Lie in their advertising :


                Jefferson and Madison proposed an 11th Amendment to the Constitution that would "ban monopolies in commerce," making it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, banning them from giving money to politicians or trying to influence elections in any way, restricting corporations to a single business purpose, limiting the lifetime of a corporation to something roughly similar to that of productive humans (20 to 40 years back then), and requiring that the first purpose for which all corporations were created be "to serve the public good."

                The amendment didn't pass because many argued it was unnecessary: Virtually all states already had such laws on the books from the founding of this nation until the Age of the Robber Barons.

                Wisconsin, for example, had a law that stated: "No corporation doing business in this state shall pay or contribute, or offer consent or agree to pay or contribute, directly or indirectly, any money, property, free service of its officers or employees or thing of value to any political party, organization, committee or individual for any political purpose whatsoever, or for the purpose of influencing legislation of any kind, or to promote or defeat the candidacy of any person for nomination, appointment or election to any political office."

                The penalty for any corporate official violating that law and getting cozy with politicians on behalf of a corporation was five years in prison and a substantial fine.

                Like Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics, these laws prevented corporations from harming humans, while still allowing people to create their robots (corporations) and use them to make money. Everybody won. Prior to 1886, corporations were referred to in US law as "artificial persons," similar to the way Star Trek portrays the human-looking robot named Data.
                The entire article can be found at:

                http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0101-07.htm

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                • #23
                  Totally out of left field, but I couln't resist:

                  One of Dubya's three documented arrests was for stealing a Christmas tree, no joke.

                  This and other inflammatory remarks can be found at Too Stupid to be President :

                  http://toostupidtobepresident.com/

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                  • #24
                    bakana....after careful review and consideration...I've determined "I like you....you're trouble!"

                    CE
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                    • #25
                      bakana...a friend over at B5tv noticed that the first link, to CNN, from your first post about Bush admin. not meeting an idea they didn't like:

                      http://www.time.com/time/magazine/a...58321-1,00.html

                      does not work. I don't know what the original heading was and can't find the article. Can you double-check your link and repost it?

                      Thanks,
                      CE
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                      • #26
                        The page you've requested has been moved or taken off the site.
                        We apologize for the inconvenience.
                        I think that about says it all...

                        Except WHY Time Magazine decided to move or remove the story...

                        But that sort of speculation would be Paranoid, Right? <Fe>

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                        • #27
                          http://www.time.com/time/archive/pre...658321,00.html

                          I took a second look at that and spotted the problem.

                          I posted the link directly in the text without using the http button.

                          Then, apparently the web page software chopped a bit out of the Middle of the link to make it fit on the page. (those 3 little dots in the middle)

                          It appears to work OK now.

                          Last edited by bakana; 07-09-2004, 04:20 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Time Website

                            Not CNN, Time Magazine

                            I reposted the link a couple hours ago, but it disappeared for some reason. ??

                            The problem with the original link is that I pasted it directly into the message and the site software evidently chopped part of it out of the middle to make it fit better on one line. That's the ... you see in the middle of the link.

                            I pasted it using the http button this time, so it should work OK.

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                            • #29
                              Much thankings.
                              Anthony Flessas
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                              • #30
                                First I would like to apologize for my absence. Much apologizing's. After reading what has been posted I feel I must clarify a few things. I take my politics seriously. I take my B5 seriously. And I have a hard enough time keeping JMS quotes out of any political/philisophical conversations I may have with people IRL.
                                I can't argue with the fact that most repulblican administrations have padded wallets. But so do the democratic administrations. Just different wallets. The problem is that both organizations have become self serving.

                                The irony is thick when you consider that Nixon modified the welfare program turning it into the monster it became. And a democrat ends it the same year he puts 150,000 more law enforcement officers on the streets with the same act that took away many of our personal rights\protections in interacting with law enforcement officers. "Agents. They are everyone and they are no one."

                                A democrat signed away our rights and a republican gave away our money.

                                It has been my experience that most people would be happy just living in peace. Here and from other countries. I work with people from many different countries and at least outwardly they express these same sentiments.

                                Nightwatch and the Dept. of Homeland security indeed have similiar mandates. One is real and one is a work of fiction. At times it seems hard to tell the difference. But we are at war. We didn't start it, did we? Or did we?

                                I wrote this on 912, borrowed heavily from JMS. But...well the truth speaks for itself.

                                I was awakened on the morning of my wifes birthday by a phone call. It was for her of course. Her brother Noky's wife, Linda. Auntie KooKoo. She told Judy to turn on the T.V.. The start of a day of celebration. Only comes once a year. A single day that I had booked for the rest of my life. It is forever more a day of mourning. A lifelong reminder that men had reasoned together to devise and then execute a suicide attack on the truly innocent.. Since 91101, neither my life nor the lives of my countrymen have remained the same. First the shock of seeing such a terrible tragedy unfolding before my very eyes. What in Heavens name could have drove these men to commit such acts? Acts of war. In my Nation I trust.

                                The World speaks in many languages.

                                But only one voice.

                                The language is not Espanola, English, Italian or Japanese or Arabic.

                                It speaks in the language of hope. It speaks in the language of trust. It speaks in the language of strength. It speaks in the language of compassion.

                                It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestor's speaking thru us and the voice of our inheritors waiting to be born. It is the small still voice that says: We are one.

                                No matter the blood. No matter the skin. No matter the language. No matter the religion

                                We are one.

                                No matter the pain. No matter the darkness. No matter the loss. No matter the fear.

                                We are One.

                                Here gathered together in common cause, we agree to recognize this singular truth and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another. Because each voice enriches us and enables us and each voice lost, diminishes us.

                                We are the voice of a Nation.

                                The Soul of Freedom.

                                The Hope that will lead the way to a better future.

                                We are ONE!!!
                                I had the dagger in my hand! And he has the indecency to start dying on his own.

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