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  • Strange feeling in The Netherlands

    I find it hard to wrap by brain around something like this (in The Netherlands) :

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8026807.stm

    till now 4 people are dead, what shouls have been a day of celebration has becomme a day of sorrow in this country

    It challenges my sense of reality
    Jan from Denmark

    My blog :

    http://www.babylonlurker.dk

    "Our thoughts form the Universe - they *always* matter"

  • #2
    Sorry to hear about it, babylonlurker.

    Jan
    "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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    • #3
      Senseless violence hurts everyone. My thoughts are with you and your compatriots.
      What a wonderful world you live in. -
      Yeah, well, the rent is cheap, the pay is decent and I get to make my own hours.

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      • #4
        In all the stories that I have read, almost nothing is revealed about the assailant. Hmmm.
        Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dr Maturin View Post
          In all the stories that I have read, almost nothing is revealed about the assailant. Hmmm.
          Except that he is a 38 years old ethnic Dutch. He was at the operation table at the time I heard anything last, so the police will have to do their investigation before they release any more info - including the interrogation of "the suspect"
          Jan from Denmark

          My blog :

          http://www.babylonlurker.dk

          "Our thoughts form the Universe - they *always* matter"

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          • #6
            Latest news says that he's dead...

            petitbilbo

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dr Maturin View Post
              In all the stories that I have read, almost nothing is revealed about the assailant. Hmmm.
              Lemme guess. You and/or FOX "News" assume that he is an islamic fundamentalist, right?

              @babylonlurker:
              I was also very shocked when I saw the video footage, and not only the people directly involved but all the dutch people have my deepest sympathy. My ex is dutch and koninginnedag was always a great day for partying.
              The media over here said he was a disgruntled guy who lost his job and appartment a few days earlier.
              Last edited by I love Lyta; 05-04-2009, 02:01 AM.
              What's up Drakh?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by I love Lyta View Post
                Lemme guess. You and/or FOX "News" assume that he is an islamic fundamentalist, right?

                @babylonlurker:
                I was also very shocked when I saw the video footage, and not only the people directly involved but all the dutch people have my deepest sympathy. My ex is dutch and koninginnedag was always a great day for partying.
                The media over here said he was a disgruntled guy who lost his job and appartment a few days earlier.
                Yes, that is what is being told, and yeah - a day of celebration changed in seconds.

                I am not Dutch, but being here means that the sense of shock is still there.
                Jan from Denmark

                My blog :

                http://www.babylonlurker.dk

                "Our thoughts form the Universe - they *always* matter"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by I love Lyta View Post
                  Lemme guess. You and/or FOX "News" assume that he is an islamic fundamentalist, right?
                  Contrary to deranged belief, FNC does not report fiction.

                  And you know, I really do not care for your misplaced derision, especially given the recent history of vehicular terrorist acts.
                  Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                  • #10
                    Perhaps if you had actually explained what you meant by your 'hmmmm' there could actually be conversation, Dr. Otherwise you can't really complain about mistaken impressions, can you?

                    Jan
                    "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by I love Lyta View Post
                      Lemme guess. You and/or FOX "News" assume that he is an islamic fundamentalist, right?
                      Originally posted by Jan View Post
                      Perhaps if you had actually explained what you meant by your 'hmmmm' there could actually be conversation, Dr. Otherwise you can't really complain about mistaken impressions, can you?

                      Jan
                      Allow me to explain, then.

                      Europe's embrace of multiculturalism, political correctness and moral relativism has led them to the rather common (so common as to become a thing of satire) practice of refusing, if they absolutely can, to acknowledge Muslim perpetrators of crimes as Muslims. They're usually just referred to as "Asians." The fact that this perp's ethnicity was left out of the story legitimately should have been a flag-raiser, given that you can usually tell more by what journalists DON'T say in stories like this than what they do. It's similar to American media, which disproportionately will choose to acknowledge race in a crime story if it's a non-white victim and a white perpetrator, and usually be silent when it's the other way around.

                      Oh, and Lyta, sorry to ruin your snide remark, but it's not as if Doc wasn't justified in thinking the perpetrator was Muslim, given the reaction some Muslims have had about the Dutch. I just referenced Fitna, if you want I can go into the execution of Theo van Gogh (by a Muslim) or talk about the trials that Ayaan Hirsi Ali (not coincidentally, the woman in my avatar), a former Dutch politician, has had to go through for daring to speak out against Islam.

                      So yeah, not exactly crazy to think that this perp might have been a Muslim. Given that Muslims don't hold the Dutch in high regard these days.
                      "I don't find myself in the same luxury as you. You grew up in freedom, and you can spit on freedom, because you don't know what it is not to have freedom." ---Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Karachi Vyce View Post
                        Allow me to explain, then.

                        Europe's embrace of multiculturalism,...

                        Oh, and Lyta, sorry to ruin your snide remark, but it's not as if Doc wasn't justified in thinking the perpetrator was Muslim, given the reaction some Muslims have had about the Dutch. ...

                        So yeah, not exactly crazy to think that this perp might have been a Muslim. Given that Muslims don't hold the Dutch in high regard these days.
                        .

                        Your points are well taken, KV, though in this case we talk about a disgruntled ethnic Dutch man, so the discussion is maybe a bit out of place here.

                        BTW the refusal to say more *at the early stage* was from the police chief and not the journalists.

                        And yes, I have seen reactions of Muslims to what they consider an insult ( Danish cartons, anyone), so I am not blind to the hatred of extremists.
                        Jan from Denmark

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                        http://www.babylonlurker.dk

                        "Our thoughts form the Universe - they *always* matter"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Karachi Vyce View Post
                          Europe's embrace of multiculturalism, political correctness and moral relativism has led them to the rather common (so common as to become a thing of satire) practice of refusing, if they absolutely can, to acknowledge Muslim perpetrators of crimes as Muslims. They're usually just referred to as "Asians." The fact that this perp's ethnicity was left out of the story legitimately should have been a flag-raiser,
                          The description "Muslim" and the description "Asian" don't refer to the same descriptive characteristic, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

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                          • #14
                            So yeah, not exactly crazy to think that this perp might have been a Muslim. Given that Muslims don't hold the Dutch in high regard these days.
                            Yeah, and if a norwegian kills a swede today because he made a joke on the norwegian king's expense, if another swede is killed next week and it's not revealed where the murder is from, it's automatically most certainly a norwegian, right?

                            What both you and Dr. M. are exercising there is simple prejudice. Nothing more, nothing less.
                            Probably next time wait for the facts first and cry wolf later...
                            Last edited by I love Lyta; 05-08-2009, 08:30 AM.
                            What's up Drakh?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by I love Lyta View Post
                              Yeah, and if a norwegian kills a swede today because he made a joke on the norwegian king's expense, if another swede is killed next week and it's not revealed where the murder is from, it's automatically most certainly a norwegian, right?
                              Only to people who think that arguing from a statistical sample of one is the same as arguing from a larger sample than that.

                              Math beats feelings, and predudice based upon math is just intelligence.
                              "It's hard being an evil genius when everybody else is so stupid." -- Quantum Crook, Casey and Andy Webcomic

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