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**frulad** · 06-04-2008, 08:25 AM

Look. It's McG directing, so already its going to be terrible. The first two Terminator flicks work so well together there was no need (on an artistic or storytelling level) to make any more.

**vacantlook** · 06-05-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by frulad View Post

Look. It's McG directing, so already its going to be terrible. The first two Terminator flicks work so well together there was no need (on an artistic or storytelling level) to make any more.

I have to agree. The third film made me go, "Lord, that was stupid, pathetic, and a waste of time."

**rallytbk** · 06-10-2008, 07:01 PM

"omigod wouldn't it be cool if there was this guy who was really not a guy but part man/part terminator like robocop, oh and he's also from the past obviously, and he was on death row cos that's always cool didn't you see green mile? and then john connor dies but they rip off his skin and put it on this robocop guy, so now john connor is a terminator, but only it's not him it's that new robocop guy, he only looks like Connor... so now HE's the hero of the resistance for the next two films! isn't that awesomely cool, we're gonna make a billion bucks, aren't we?."

................. . . . .

I can only hope this revelation, if true, will make them reconsider like what happened with JJ Abram's Superman, and they decide to scrap it.

Wow!!! talk about way out there. Goes to show you that Hollywood is stuck with this crap because of all the fan fiction people keep writing...

While I have given my 2 cents over the years on what the next movie would be like, never in my mind would I be as disappointed now as I did after Terminator three. God help us from fan fiction and online story ideas.

**Shr'eshhhhhh** · 06-26-2008, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by frulad View Post

Look. It's McG directing, so already its going to be terrible. The first two Terminator flicks work so well together there was no need (on an artistic or storytelling level) to make any more.

I actually find the second Terminator film to be utterly pointless.

The first film was perfect as it was and has one of the best endings to any film.

If the third film has any redeeming features at all it has to be the restoration of that bleakness.

There are huge sections of T2 which are just as bad as anything in T3.

**vakie** · 06-27-2008, 06:08 PM

One of the highest rated films on fanedit.org is Terminator 3: The Coming Storm.

It's a fan edit of T3 which takes out about 20 minutes of the bad stuff. Haven't had a chance to see it yet, but the comments there seem to be very positive.

**rallytbk** · 07-15-2008, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by vakie View Post

One of the highest rated films on fanedit.org is Terminator 3: The Coming Storm.

It's a fan edit of T3 which takes out about 20 minutes of the bad stuff. Haven't had a chance to see it yet, but the comments there seem to be very positive.

Wow, very interesting site and Terminator 3 edit...

Do you guys think it would be wise for a fan to reedit Babylon 5 from 110 episodes to a 4 to 6 hour miniseries? I think it could be done from Londo's perspective... Wishful thinking... and it would go great for new viewers.

**vakie** · 11-23-2008, 05:48 AM

Catastrophy averted, McG says this is not the ending. He admits they had "discussed the idea" though. But how clueless do you have to be to even 'discuss' an idea as stupid as this. Doesn't really bode well for the actual ending they chose...

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081120m.php

**Morden** · 11-24-2008, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by frulad View Post

The first two Terminator flicks work so well together there was no need (on an artistic or storytelling level) to make any more.

I would totally agree with that, for me it will always be the two James-Cameron-movies and, well, the awful rest.
But I think the TV-series is better than the 3rd movie.
As for the upcoming movie, I don't have many hopes that it'll be good, but we'll see, as always.

**vakie** · 05-23-2009, 01:38 AM

Haven't seen the movie yet, but I've been hearing about some very bad reviews so I'm fearing the worst.

But lookie here; McG discusses this original ending they had discussed, but not only that, he reveals it's not even half of the terribleness they had planned for us. Something else, VERY BIG, was going to take place as the big finish..

I mean, WTF. He claims he thought it sounded good, and that even Bale liked it. Are they all completely insane, or is it just me?

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**DGTWoodward** · 05-23-2009, 05:44 AM

Could Mr. Bale's unruly behaviour during the production of this movie be attributed to the idea that, after coming off a huge worldwide hit like BATMAN, somewhere in his mind he realised that he'd settled on a real turkey of a film. The press regarding him during production were certainly not stellar by any stretch and could be seen as the actions of a deeply unhappy man.

**Jonas** · 06-07-2009, 02:39 AM

The film wasn't half bad - certainly a thousand times better than the third one. The only problem for me is that none of the sequels after T2 have the right to exist, given the plot of that movie.

And the ending they originally discussed (from the spoilers)... I think that would've been a much better ending.

**vakie** · 06-07-2009, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Jonas View Post

The film wasn't half bad - certainly a thousand times better than the third one. The only problem for me is that none of the sequels after T2 have the right to exist, given the plot of that movie.

And the ending they originally discussed (from the spoilers)... I think that would've been a much better ending.

Did you see that hitfix video, where the full ending is discussed? You're not talking about that are you? Granted, I still haven't been bothered enough to go see the movie so I can't compare it to what is there, but still..

**SmileOfTheShadow** · 06-07-2009, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Jonas View Post

The film wasn't half bad - certainly a thousand times better than the third one. The only problem for me is that none of the sequels after T2 have the right to exist, given the plot of that movie.

And the ending they originally discussed (from the spoilers)... I think that would've been a much better ending.

Agreed on all counts, especially the first. I like what they did with the TV show, that at least made a bit more sense than the way the sequels have gone.

**vakie** · 06-09-2009, 08:56 AM

Yeah, saw it yesterday, and it wasn't that terrible. It was an OK sci-fi/action film, a lot better than T3. I don't get the hate that I've seen against it from some people on the net. Sure, the plot doesn't make a lot of sense but I've come to expect that from these big summer movies..

I'll give it a 6/10, OK but not that great either.

McG was asked about the problems with the plot, but his answers didn't really convince me..

(spoilers)

Q: In the earlier movies, Skynet is not aware of Kyle Reese. So, why are they aware of him now?

It’s a function of their recon during the dark period, and a function of their awareness of the events that had happened since Kyle Reese traveled back. By virtue of John Connor being alive, that means Kyle Reese did meet Sarah Connor and impregnate her. That data exists, and was brought into the fold at Skynet.

...

Q: If Kyle Reese had been killed in “Salvation,” what would’ve happened to John Connor? Would he simply cease to exist?

McG: Will he be erased in the photograph, like in “Back to the Future”? That’s an excellent question that theorists have been bandying about for the ages. We play it more simply. Kyle Reese must be kept alive, so he can be sent back in time from 2029 to protect Sarah Connor, impregnate her and she’ll give birth to John Connor who will save us all. And the simplest way to understand that is to protect the triangle of Kyle, John and Sarah. Any deconstruction of that leads to more headache than satisfaction.
---

By virtue of John Connor being alive, that means Kyle Reese did meet Sarah Connor and impregnate her. Uh, what the hell does that mean? How exactly did Skynet deduce that? That's a too vague explanation for a huge plot point, and it should've been explained in the film.

And then there's the other thing; if they do know Kyle Reese is important, all they have to do is kill Kyle and that's it, game over. They win. But what do they do when they capture him? Keep him alive. They're willing to send a million terminators back in time to kill John's mother or John, but when they have John's father in their own HQ surrounded by terminators, they just let him live. Good thinking Skynet.

And then, they are completely aware that they have both Kyle and John in their HQ. So do they send all of their terminators, ALL of them, to kill them? Since they are the priority targets, that will win them the war, right?

No, they send just one or two apparently.

BTW, I didn't really have a problem with the ending they used, compared with the one they had planned originally. That would've really pissed me off.

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