Politics

[AaronB]

The 1800 election? Really? Thomas Jefferson was making back-room deals with Aaron Burr? They had both run in the 1792 and 1796 elections. At the time of the 1800 election, president and vice-president were still chosen merely by total number of votes, and the House had to decide who was president since there was a tie between them at 73 each. The house voted 10-4 for Jefferson.

I'm thinking more of the deals that Hamilton did so that Adams didn't remain president. He made sure that the high-federalists didn't vote for him. IIRC he was third in the electoral voting by the House. But you make a good point.

[Doom Shepherd]

The sarcasm came through. But so did the fact that it wasn't thought through.

And badly thought-out sarcasm is like a President who will cut the space program budget.

Do Not Want.

[Lunan]

Do have any knowledge of American history? Backroom deals are made in any party (Whig, Federalist, Bull Moose, Democratic, Republican, etc). They are not the exclusive right of the Republican party. This has been going on from the 1800 election and will continue as long as we don't fall into a different form of government.

If anything, there is more of a chance that the Democratic nominee may have had to make a deal in order to avoid a "Brokered Convention". For a good look at what that may look like read this excellent article.

And if you think that where you live back room deals don't happen, I can almost assure you that you are sorely mistaken.

yes i am aware that back room deals are common, sarcasm obviously doesn't come across when i type

[JoeD80]

Do have any knowledge of American history? Backroom deals are made in any party (Whig, Federalist, Bull Moose, Democratic, Republican, etc). They are not the exclusive right of the Republican party. This has been going on from the 1800 election and will continue as long as we don't fall into a different form of government.

The 1800 election? Really? Thomas Jefferson was making back-room deals with Aaron Burr? They had both run in the 1792 and 1796 elections. At the time of the 1800 election, president and vice-president were still chosen merely by total number of votes, and the House had to decide who was president since there was a tie between them at 73 each. The house voted 10-4 for Jefferson.

[AaronB]

good news? hmm, i smell a political deal made in a dark closet. standard republican tactics

Do have any knowledge of American history? Backroom deals are made in any party (Whig, Federalist, Bull Moose, Democratic, Republican, etc). They are not the exclusive right of the Republican party. This has been going on from the 1800 election and will continue as long as we don't fall into a different form of government.

If anything, there is more of a chance that the Democratic nominee may have had to make a deal in order to avoid a "Brokered Convention". For a good look at what that may look like read this excellent article.

And if you think that where you live back room deals don't happen, I can almost assure you that you are sorely mistaken.

[Night Marshal]

Cynic much? If you look at the math Romney need 94% of the remaining republican delegates and most of the states yet have proportional delegate hands outs. So it very unlikely that he was going to win anyways Mitts a smart guy he can do the math. I know you hate Republicans from your tone but really not everything if life is a conspiracy.

[Lunan]

News of the Day Romney out more or less sewing up the Republican nomination for McCain. Good news

good news? hmm, i smell a political deal made in a dark closet. standard republican tactics

[Night Marshal]

News of the Day Romney out more or less sewing up the Republican nomination for McCain. Good news

[JoeD80]

::yawn.:: Wait...isn't the election in something like...10 months or something stupid? Amazing that the news thinks they can make us care for that long...

There's still a lot of stuff that occurs before election day. There are still states that haven't had their primary elections yet. Those don't end until June 3rd and then the conventions are in August and September.

[Night Marshal]

well lets remember McCain can be said to have been run for election to some degree or another since 2000, Obama since at least 2004 when he spoke before the Democratic convention. living in iowa I have heard report of Edwards in Iowa as early as 2002 and Hillary whole senate run can be said to prove that she was elected able in a bid for the white house. I'm sure the others have roots going at least to 2006 and much longer but i have had no contact with them.

Personally I think the states like Florida and Michigan have some real egg on there face now rush to be as early as they could be, and having their Delegates taken away doesn't really represent the people of those states.

As for the early issue i think your right I honestly expected the Iowa Caucus to be in December in the week between Christmas and New Years thank goodness it didn't happen but thats not to say that this rushing to be first won't continue even though this year has proven being later isn't that big an issue.

There was an interesting article a while back(can't find it sadly) about how it makes more sense for small states to do the weeding out while letting the bigger state to do the choosing since small states let a candidate get to interact with the people more than they can ever do in a place like California or New York. While I don't completely agree there are normally at least a few people that everyone knows aren't going to win.

As to your point that people don't care the polling numbers seem to bear that out while there are record turn outs its still no where near what you get for the general election and even the media seems to be getting tired to saying the same storyline over and over and over.

[SmileOfTheShadow]

::yawn.:: Wait...isn't the election in something like...10 months or something stupid? Amazing that the news thinks they can make us care for that long...

...or maybe that's part of the plan.

[Night Marshal]

I have to say that I'm happy with the out come of Super Tuesday as a Republican. I know that much of my party isn't happy with John McCain because he has some how offended them. But to me he is the kind of person the Republicans need to move forward and continue being a force in American politics. Not that I think what the current Republican party is doing is wrong but someone has to bridge the gap and from what I have seen of HRC and Obama and the Democratic congress they have no interest in reaching across to the right and making things work. Where McCain has done this. Its a good sign for the future. And the Fact he anger Rush Limbaugh makes it all that much sweeter.

I wish McCain luck as he goes forward.

[Andrew_Swallow]

As one of the commenters put it:

It's so true. I've been arguing with some Paulbots on another forum. It's gotten DISTURBING the levels to which they will go to defend the man. It's like Ron Paul is Pravda.

If this is happening during the election, when Ron Paul does not have power, watch out for what happens when the whole world is creating "events" to trip him up.

[Karachi Vyce]

I would disagree with you and add Thompson in as well, although he isn't as extreme as Paul on how limited government should be.

It also looks like Paul may have a bit more colorful past than we thought

Little Green Footballs had a great link the other day regarding that whole newsletter saga.

For those who don't know the story, Ron Paul is facing some serious questions right now over some articles that were published in his newsletter in the early 90s, which were basically racist, homophobic, and antisemitic. Up until 1996, Paul was still claiming that he wrote the articles, because he was DEFENDING them - fast forward to today, and he claims that he never wrote them, they were written by someone else (I don't know if he's ever really cleared up who). Conveniently.

Anyway, this blog piece has screencaps from a message board with Paul supporters. It shows the eerie progression of one particular Paul supporter, as he goes from "OMG, how could Paul have written this? I'm going to be sick!" to "It's....it's all LIES! MCBUSHITLERBURTON manufactured the war in Iraq, they manufactured this as well!" All in the space of hours.

As one of the commenters put it:

Good heavens.

They convince themselves that the truth isn't the truth.

I've said it before and i'll say it again: The Ron Paul movement is a goddamn cult.

It's so true. I've been arguing with some Paulbots on another forum. It's gotten DISTURBING the levels to which they will go to defend the man. It's like Ron Paul is Pravda.

[AaronB]

Well it's put on the tin foil hats time boys and girls. It seems that the primary was stolen from Obama by Hilary and those well known evil people, Diebold.