Amusing B5 Comment

[Dr Maturin]

"May a diseased yak squat in your hot tub"

"May a sick camel leave a surprise for you in your sock drawer."

[Shadow-Sentient]

I will call out fans of either show who bash the other. They act like it was THEIR OWN creation that was "stolen." Sit down and enjoy them or not, hippies.

"May a diseased yak squat in your hot tub"

[Lunan]

Sounds like something I wouldn't want to see.

Any "reboot" for Trek shouldn't be about Kirk or Spock or McCoy, etc.

Start over with an ENTIRELY different crew, new mission, etc. If you want things really different, do something crazy like set it even further in the future, like how TNG (and subsequently DS9 and VG) was(/were) a few decades after the original Trek.

i agree. with the massive tech change in the real world jumping to say 3200 or so (yes a millenina form the original) could be very interesting. TOTALLY new ship designs, new areas to explore. hell the best would bo to explore the void between

[Karachi Vyce]

Sounds like something I wouldn't want to see.

Any "reboot" for Trek shouldn't be about Kirk or Spock or McCoy, etc.

Start over with an ENTIRELY different crew, new mission, etc. If you want things really different, do something crazy like set it even further in the future, like how TNG (and subsequently DS9 and VG) was(/were) a few decades after the original Trek.

[Jan]

Maybe Paramount didn't even read the treatment, and therefore, the basic concept of a re-boot might be more of a Battlestar Galactica rip off. But, it will be interesting to see how much of the movie resembles the way JMS & Zabel envisioned a new Star Trek.

From what I've heard, no resemblance at all. As I recall, JMS said at a convention that Paramount had never agreed to look at their treatment at all. As he said in his post about it, there were 'political considerations'.

JMS & Bryce Zabel's treatment re-imagined Trek in a similar manner to the way BSG has done, basically starting over from where TOS began and concentrating on the Kirk/Spock/McCoy et al dynamic.

Everything I've heard about the new movie says that it's supposed to center around Kirk & Spock (not sure about McCoy) meeting while in Starfleet Academy.

Jan

[DGTWoodward]

Is Anybody Really Surprised?

[Ninja_Squirrel]

New 2008 Star Trek Movie -- A Re-Boot

Much of this thread has been about the similarities between B5 and DS9 that support the really plausible theory that Trek stole from JMS.

Well, the new buzz about the 2008 Star Trek movie is that it is considered a re-boot of the franchise.

Funny how not too long ago JMS & Bryce Zabel wrote a series bible/treatment for a re-boot of Star Trek in TV form. Paramount passed on the idea, but now, there just happens to be a re-boot of Trek in movie form.

Maybe Paramount didn't even read the treatment, and therefore, the basic concept of a re-boot might be more of a Battlestar Galactica rip off. But, it will be interesting to see how much of the movie resembles the way JMS & Zabel envisioned a new Star Trek.

This has the potential to be the 2nd time Paramount has screwed JMS over.

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Oh, and part of the rumor I read was that the movie will simply be titled Star Trek. No sequel number; no subtitle.

[Lunan]

Anyone that read Jane Killick's SEASON BY SEASON books, and that can read between the lines, would agree with this idea. Paramount had the B5 script for 9 (NINE!) months and did nothing with it. Suddenly, when WB decided to go ahead with B5...they rush out a space-station-based TREKised version of the script in the hope that the (as usual terribly underestimated) fans will not notice!

LAZY, LAZY, LAZY. Give TREK 10 years, then think about it, but with a totally new production team, like....people who actually care about story, drama, acting, internal consistency and a definite - book style - end.

just make SURE rick berman has NOTHING!!!! to do with it. the hack

[DGTWoodward]

I'm pretty damn certain that Trek stole ideas from Bab 5 for DS9.

I'm also pretty certain that the whole Xindi plotline for Enterprise was just a heavily modified version of the Drakh earth poisoning from Crusade.

I'm one of those people who feel that Trek has been bad for a while now. My concept is that they let the franchise die for a few years, then come back with a fresh creative team and fresh ideas.

Anyone that read Jane Killick's SEASON BY SEASON books, and that can read between the lines, would agree with this idea. Paramount had the B5 script for 9 (NINE!) months and did nothing with it. Suddenly, when WB decided to go ahead with B5...they rush out a space-station-based TREKised version of the script in the hope that the (as usual terribly underestimated) fans will not notice!

LAZY, LAZY, LAZY. Give TREK 10 years, then think about it, but with a totally new production team, like....people who actually care about story, drama, acting, internal consistency and a definite - book style - end.

[Jan]

[Moderator Speak] Watch it with the names, LiM. Any and all names except the user's own member name.

Muchly thank you. [/Moderator Speak]

Jan

[Dr Maturin]

I will call out fans of either show who bash the other. They act like it was THEIR OWN creation that was "stolen." Sit down and enjoy them or not, hippies.

[Donald]

My wife is the "Trekker" of the family, so I've watched just about all of the various Star Trek series (except Voyager) and IMO DS9 is the best of them. I liked how varied the characters were and especially enjoyed how well developed the villains (Gul Dukat and Kai Wynn sp?) were. Talk about characters that you loved to hate!

I can believe that a fair amount of the set-up for DS9 was "borrowed" from JMS, but as the series developed they were very different from one another. I think what lifts DS9 above the other ST series for me is that there were gray characters, not just black and white, good and evil. The last three or four seasons of DS9 are very good television.

I agree with you completely. DS9 is far and away my favorite of the new Trek series. However, I also thought Enterprise had some great potential but it didn't get good until the third and fourth season.

[NotSoWize]

My wife is the "Trekker" of the family, so I've watched just about all of the various Star Trek series (except Voyager) and IMO DS9 is the best of them. I liked how varied the characters were and especially enjoyed how well developed the villains (Gul Dukat and Kai Wynn sp?) were. Talk about characters that you loved to hate!

I can believe that a fair amount of the set-up for DS9 was "borrowed" from JMS, but as the series developed they were very different from one another. I think what lifts DS9 above the other ST series for me is that there were gray characters, not just black and white, good and evil. The last three or four seasons of DS9 are very good television.

[Shadow-Sentient]

I've been saying for a long time that Trek literally stole from B5 but I don't see it as such a grievous offense. Plagiariasm being the sincerest form of flattery and all. We all know that JMS had this stuff floating round his head while taking a shower decades ago. There's no way all of this is just coincidence but it does no good to get lost in the details. It's all done and history.
Trek does need a rest ... or at least new writers who can find another great series to borrow from. I liked Enterprise but I liked it because I felt that B5 was responsible for some of the character development that truly made it interesting. I actually gave a shit about the characters from Enterprise, whereas I could have cared less about the crew of Voyager or DS9. Truthfully, I didn't watch DS9 beyond it's 3rd season. It just got boring to me ... guess I should do some catching up. Voyager bothered me from the first three episodes. I felt like I watched the same show three times. I hear later seasons were better ... but I had B5 and I wasn't going back. I probably won't.

[Kloreep]

I've heard good things about the later seasons of DS9 and mean to watch them sometime. But I've got so many things on my must-watch list!

Jan

It does get better, particularly in the seventh season, the latter half or so of which is one long arc. It's no B5 - no novel for TV - but it did become good television.