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  • #16
    Basically, being into CGI myself (studying it at school), that was the main difference which stood out for me in the SFX difference between Foundation Imaging and Netter Digital. FI mostly used lens flare effects combined with inferno and particle effects (at least that's what they are called in 3d Studio Max. In lightwave the term should be hypervoxels) to simulate effects. They occasionally used filmed footage of live pyrotechnics, that they themselves shot (according to several of JMS' posts), most notably for example, the shot of the Narn cruiser being hit in S2 intro, or all around Severed Dreams.

    Netter Digital however, went the better looking way of acquiring royalty-free stock footage of explosions (at least that would be my guess, based mostly on the fact, that I've seen the exact same explosions used on other shows and video games, which have nothing to do with Netter Digital) in the CGI. This is the most commonly used way of doing CGI explosions, unless you are doing movie grade CGI, because these kind of things are extremely hard to achieve on a program such as lightwave.

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    • #17
      <<I didn't like that final episode "Sacrifice of Angels". To me, having the prophets snap their fingers and disappear the Dominion ships is equivalent to a deus ex machina. I'd prefer a human-based solution.>>

      In itself, it is certainly a cop-out. But in context of the series' ongoing storyline, it is great.

      I wasn't big on the end of the Shadow War, and not because I didn't get to see a big space battle. The Shadows had this big buildup and then it was over after a little conversation. At least their legacy remained to cause some trouble and interesting content.
      Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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      • #18
        And what about Sisko?

        The biggest problem, for me, in DS9's finale was the "Apotheosis" of Sisko. How many characters will we have attain virtual godhood in Star Trek? Sisko was the child of a human and a Wormhole Alien. Wesley Crusher became a Traveller. Reg Barclay had godly knowledge (for a short time) when the Enterprise D was summoned to the planet on the other side of the galaxy and he had himself hardwired in to the navigation. Professor Moriarty, a hologram, attained sentience. Apollo in the original series. The "Plato's Stepchildren". Q and his cohorts. I like the fact that in Babylon 5 they tried to deal with it in what seems like a much more reasonable way (except for Jason Ironheart, imho).

        Next we will find out that the Wormhole is actually the home of the "Q" Continuum, and James T. Kirk is there, drinking Jack Daniels with Trelaine, who he has forgiven and now plays Poker with on Saturday nights. Wesley, Apollo and the last remaining Kelvans have a knitting circle. <ad nauseum>
        "Ivanova is God!"

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        • #19
          DS9 is my second favorite show after Babylon 5 of course the seasons in order of how much I liked them do as follows.

          season 5
          season 1
          season 2
          season 6
          season 4
          season 7
          season 3

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          • #20
            Hilarious, Spoo Rancher.

            If you are cheap, like moi, SpikeTV is showing DS9 now....I missed most of DS9 when it orginally aired, but I didn't catch it when they started showing it again...I'll probably wait until it cycles through....they are showing it 7 days a week.

            Gotta love RePlayTv......digital video recorder....especially when you win them...ehehehehhe.....
            You can't win if you don't play!!

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            • #21
              Yeah I've been checking them out on Spike TV although it's not always real convient for me to watch. I'll more then likely get them on DVD one day but they got to bring down the price they are just ripping off the hardcore Star Trek fans out there. They know the hardcore fans will buy them wheather they can really afford them or not. I mean $120 bucks a season at Best Buy and Suncoast? The people at Paramounts DVD division must be real swine.And for all that money they can't even give us commentaries from cast and directors? Yes it's safe to say this is one purchase I can put off for some time.

              You know as far as DS9 goes it's kind of lucky I got into it before B5 because I'm not sure I could have enjoyed it all that much knowing just how much it stole from B5. If I wanted to know what would happen in on DS9 I'll I had to do was watch what happened on B5 two years back. If B5 got a war arc soon Ds9 would get a war arch ,Sherriden disappears in the finial episode of B5 to be taken away to some higher life forms, Sisko disapears to be taken away by higher life forms two years later. If the goofy guy Vir is shown to be Emperor in the finial episode. Then Quarks brother must be shown to be Grand Nagus in the finial episode. It's really pretty shameless. Bureau 13 if you reverse the number and put it on DS9 two years later becomes section 31.

              I still enjoy DS9 but not as much as I used too seeing how painfully derivitive it often is.

              That said it's still one of my favorite sci-fi shows. My all time favorites are as follows.

              1.Babylon 5
              2.Firefly(I'm so glad they've started shooting the movie U.S. release date is April 22,2005)
              3.Star Trek(original)
              4.Doctor Who
              5.Farscape
              6.Blakes'7
              7.The Prisoner
              8.Red Dwarf
              9.Battlestar Galactica (I just got the DVD box set aside from some seriously weak moments it's actually quite good I was suprised that it actually has a rather interesting story arch building,I never realised it had one.Too bad no season 2 was made might have been interesting.)
              10.Deep Space Nine
              11.Crusade
              12. Space 1999
              13.Voyager
              14.Buck Rogers in the 25th Century


              And if I didn't mention it here it's not a favorite I might like it but not a favorite.
              Last edited by jolty; 06-11-2004, 01:19 AM.

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              • #22
                jolty, all DVD sets are cheaper at amazon.com. I don't know why people complain about retail prices. I got all of my DS9 and B5 at amazon or Wal-Mart (except for B5 S2 -- Best Buy) and I got them for way cheap. I paid about $105 AFTER TAXES for DS9 eps at Wal-Mart and like $73 or so for B5.

                Come this Fall, people will be getting screwed when they buy the Star Wars Trilogy on DVD for retail price while you can literally steal it from amazon. You have to be a fiscalist. I even buy my shoes on amazon sometimes.
                Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                • #23
                  Whoa! They've raised prices on all of DS9 and all of B5 save for the fifth season. I guess the early bird catches the worm, eh. Hey, I sounded Canadian. Hoser.
                  Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                  • #24
                    Check out dvdpricesearch.com - they list it around $95 with free shipping. But be careful and note the customer reviews of the vendor before ordering, I wouldn't recomend any seller with less than 3 stars.
                    "The cat is not evil for killing the rat, nor is the rat evil for stealing the grain. Each acts according to its nature." Master Po - Kung Fu:TOS

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                    • #25
                      Sweet, BTD. I found something similar, too, but I was skeptical. Why is it that low? And why would they be ranked low? For posing used DVD's as new or something?
                      Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                      • #26
                        I'm not sure about why the prices are so diverse, but I've ordered from DeepDiscountDVD, Amazon, and Overstock for years and the sets I've received looked absolutely pristine. If they're selling used sets I darn sure can't tell. Although DeepDiscount recently merged with another vendor and their shipping speeds aren't what they were before. But I would NOT do business with DVDSoon. Read their customer reviews and you'll see why. And I can tell you, the vendors I usually deal with have never given me any problems returning items when there was a need.
                        "The cat is not evil for killing the rat, nor is the rat evil for stealing the grain. Each acts according to its nature." Master Po - Kung Fu:TOS

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                        • #27
                          <<And I can tell you, the vendors I usually deal with have never given me any problems returning items when there was a need.>>

                          That's one bad thing about buying stuff online...you can't "make a scene" like you can at Wal-Mart or Target to get an exchange or refund. In all seriousness, Wal-Mart is great about exchanges and returns.
                          Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
                            <<I didn't like that final episode "Sacrifice of Angels". To me, having the prophets snap their fingers and disappear the Dominion ships is equivalent to a deus ex machina. I'd prefer a human-based solution.>>

                            In itself, it is certainly a cop-out. But in context of the series' ongoing storyline, it is great.
                            Even in the context of the DS9 series, I consider it a copout. I want to see *humans* solving their problems, not aliens.

                            That's why I liked the Shadow War's end: It was Sheridan who solved the mystery of the Shadows/Vorlons, planned a way to reveal the secret, and then executed it. It was purely a HUMAN solution.

                            Troy

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                            • #29
                              I never watched DS9, so I've been watching them on Spike, but man, I just can't get into it. I find I don't care about the Bajorans, their religion, the conflicts on the station and I've been watching every day since Spike started airing them thinking-will it get better? I do like the Cardasians as a race-great makeup.

                              Thing is, it's not bad at all, I just feel I'm watching Average Joe in space or something. On the other hand, I'm told by every DS9 fan that the last 2 seasons rock, so maybe I'll reserve judgement til then. I'll keep watching!

                              My list:
                              FarScape
                              B5 (after season 1)
                              UFO (Gerry Anderson 70s show)
                              NextGen (after season 2)
                              Original Trek
                              Enterprise (last season!)
                              Voyager (after season 1)

                              John
                              http://homepage.mac.com/johnselvia/
                              If the goat runs to the well, cast no
                              stones.

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                              • #30
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