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<<That example is the tip of the iceberg. By the way, I think 7of9 made a better Vulcan than T'Pol... It's really hard to put what I feel into words. They aren't clones per se, but they're all of the same mold...straight, middle class, yuppie American mentallity comes to mind. Bland is another concept. To put it simply, with only a few exceptions, I simply couldn't give a sh*t about any of the characters. They're people I not only don't care about...I wouldn't want to know them if I met them.>>
*Sniff* You don't care about a straight, middle-class American like me. Not a yuppie, though! I didn't like Voyager and Enterprise because they rehashed the same stories over and over. Does Braga not have any imagination? I didn't like Janeway, especially her voice. There was just something about her I didn't like. Lochley, I liked as a female captain. Paris, just a jackass kid. Kim, just a timid nerd. Neelix was cool. Kes sucked. Chakotay didn't seem like he should have...he was a Maquis, but seemed too amiable. Tuvok...tripped me out.
As for the Maquis thing...they dropped the ball with that. They could have done more with tension and any number of things. But it was like they forgot they were Maquis after a while.
<<ST characters from DS9 on began to ...well, take themselves too seriously. The humor is gone unless it's forced and contrived. The characters are flat, two dimensional people that to me are humorless and uninteresting and they whine. So, perhaps it is in that vein that I say they're all copies. There is a difference between drama and overt melo-drama. One to me is B5 the other is a soap-opera.>>
I liked everything about DS9, pretty much. The humor was great, to me. But you are right about the 2-D stuff. But that is ST in general. Everyone from the Federation is a communist-esque hive member. Michael Eddington goes so far as to tell that to Sisko in other terms. "You're worse than the Borg!" That is why I liked Eddington and Garak and Quark...they had something. And despite DS9's difference from other Trek, it still got a bit too preachy. But I still liked the preach eps. "Past Tense" good, but the message was transparent, and even Ira Behr has admitted it. "Far Beyond the Stars" was great, but also transparent, although about a more legitimate issue in its context. There was the female kiss, which I don't think was as much a statement as it was eye candy for ratings. But make no mistake about it, I liked the show, I liked the dialogue, I liked the characters. Miles was probably my favorite human, along with Sisko, and Bashir a close third. Most interesting was the doctor and Miles' relationship, of which some have mistakenly labeled as vaguely homosexual. When in this "homophobic" society are we going to learn that loving your buddies is not gay? I have told my best friend, who is a Marine veteran, that I love him.
I didn't like Jadzia, though. My mom did. She was just not well written. All of her episodes were stand alone science concepts. Mostly.
*Sniff* You don't care about a straight, middle-class American like me. Not a yuppie, though! I didn't like Voyager and Enterprise because they rehashed the same stories over and over. Does Braga not have any imagination? I didn't like Janeway, especially her voice. There was just something about her I didn't like. Lochley, I liked as a female captain. Paris, just a jackass kid. Kim, just a timid nerd. Neelix was cool. Kes sucked. Chakotay didn't seem like he should have...he was a Maquis, but seemed too amiable. Tuvok...tripped me out.
As for the Maquis thing...they dropped the ball with that. They could have done more with tension and any number of things. But it was like they forgot they were Maquis after a while.
<<ST characters from DS9 on began to ...well, take themselves too seriously. The humor is gone unless it's forced and contrived. The characters are flat, two dimensional people that to me are humorless and uninteresting and they whine. So, perhaps it is in that vein that I say they're all copies. There is a difference between drama and overt melo-drama. One to me is B5 the other is a soap-opera.>>
I liked everything about DS9, pretty much. The humor was great, to me. But you are right about the 2-D stuff. But that is ST in general. Everyone from the Federation is a communist-esque hive member. Michael Eddington goes so far as to tell that to Sisko in other terms. "You're worse than the Borg!" That is why I liked Eddington and Garak and Quark...they had something. And despite DS9's difference from other Trek, it still got a bit too preachy. But I still liked the preach eps. "Past Tense" good, but the message was transparent, and even Ira Behr has admitted it. "Far Beyond the Stars" was great, but also transparent, although about a more legitimate issue in its context. There was the female kiss, which I don't think was as much a statement as it was eye candy for ratings. But make no mistake about it, I liked the show, I liked the dialogue, I liked the characters. Miles was probably my favorite human, along with Sisko, and Bashir a close third. Most interesting was the doctor and Miles' relationship, of which some have mistakenly labeled as vaguely homosexual. When in this "homophobic" society are we going to learn that loving your buddies is not gay? I have told my best friend, who is a Marine veteran, that I love him.
I didn't like Jadzia, though. My mom did. She was just not well written. All of her episodes were stand alone science concepts. Mostly.
...and Brimstone (too bad it's not airing, now, and isn't out on DVD). 
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