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  • #46
    <<That example is the tip of the iceberg. By the way, I think 7of9 made a better Vulcan than T'Pol... It's really hard to put what I feel into words. They aren't clones per se, but they're all of the same mold...straight, middle class, yuppie American mentallity comes to mind. Bland is another concept. To put it simply, with only a few exceptions, I simply couldn't give a sh*t about any of the characters. They're people I not only don't care about...I wouldn't want to know them if I met them.>>

    *Sniff* You don't care about a straight, middle-class American like me. Not a yuppie, though! I didn't like Voyager and Enterprise because they rehashed the same stories over and over. Does Braga not have any imagination? I didn't like Janeway, especially her voice. There was just something about her I didn't like. Lochley, I liked as a female captain. Paris, just a jackass kid. Kim, just a timid nerd. Neelix was cool. Kes sucked. Chakotay didn't seem like he should have...he was a Maquis, but seemed too amiable. Tuvok...tripped me out.

    As for the Maquis thing...they dropped the ball with that. They could have done more with tension and any number of things. But it was like they forgot they were Maquis after a while.

    <<ST characters from DS9 on began to ...well, take themselves too seriously. The humor is gone unless it's forced and contrived. The characters are flat, two dimensional people that to me are humorless and uninteresting and they whine. So, perhaps it is in that vein that I say they're all copies. There is a difference between drama and overt melo-drama. One to me is B5 the other is a soap-opera.>>

    I liked everything about DS9, pretty much. The humor was great, to me. But you are right about the 2-D stuff. But that is ST in general. Everyone from the Federation is a communist-esque hive member. Michael Eddington goes so far as to tell that to Sisko in other terms. "You're worse than the Borg!" That is why I liked Eddington and Garak and Quark...they had something. And despite DS9's difference from other Trek, it still got a bit too preachy. But I still liked the preach eps. "Past Tense" good, but the message was transparent, and even Ira Behr has admitted it. "Far Beyond the Stars" was great, but also transparent, although about a more legitimate issue in its context. There was the female kiss, which I don't think was as much a statement as it was eye candy for ratings. But make no mistake about it, I liked the show, I liked the dialogue, I liked the characters. Miles was probably my favorite human, along with Sisko, and Bashir a close third. Most interesting was the doctor and Miles' relationship, of which some have mistakenly labeled as vaguely homosexual. When in this "homophobic" society are we going to learn that loving your buddies is not gay? I have told my best friend, who is a Marine veteran, that I love him.


    I didn't like Jadzia, though. My mom did. She was just not well written. All of her episodes were stand alone science concepts. Mostly.
    Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
      Most interesting was the doctor and Miles' relationship, of which some have mistakenly labeled as vaguely homosexual. When in this "homophobic" society are we going to learn that loving your buddies is not gay? I have told my best friend, who is a Marine veteran, that I love him.
      I have just worked that one out. You write what you know. There are no real friendships in Hollywood - everyone is a rival.

      In a village there are 3 big organisational groups.

      1. The family - mother, cubs and in human groups the father.
      2. The sowing circle - made up from the women. A great group for talking and babysitting.
      3. The hunting party. Food and land based. Every month the group goes into danger to get food and to prevent rival tribes from gaining control of the land. Without long term trust and liking (friendship) the group will fall apart and fail.

      Hollywood can do the family; there are a few around. It is even better on love affairs - there is a lot of lust in that place.

      The sowing circle and hunting party are a different matter. At the end of the film everyone goes their own way and they are in competition for the few available jobs.

      Without knowing long term danger friendships, Hollywood has to reduced groups to the family, which immediately means sex. As well as not understanding two straight (police) men working together, incest free brother and sister do not compute either.
      Andrew Swallow

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      • #48
        <<Without knowing long term danger friendships, Hollywood has to reduced groups to the family, which immediately means sex. As well as not understanding two straight (police) men working together, incest free brother and sister do not compute either.>>

        Wow...maybe that's why hollywood marriages don't last, either...
        Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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        • #49
          Zha-

          I share many of your opinions on DS9, Voyager, and Ent - not all of them mind you, but pretty much overall? Yeah. I'm still laughing about your comment on Janeway's voice! I agree totally!

          I have history with ST:TOS. It cannot be displaced. But many have come close. TNG and DS9 I loved, but just not quite in the same, "nostalgic, seen through the eyes of youth" way. My wife prefers the latter two.

          B5 has it's own place in my pantheon, and it cannot be displaced as well. Hey JMS! That's a challenge for ya, man!

          Other shows like Stargate I find really (really) good, but only time will tell if they have as much impact.

          But I must admit, I still love to see old 50's scifi - give me a sleek rocket, a cool robot, some spacesuits, and a pretty girl for the alien monster to chase and I'm happy as can be!

          Andrew-

          Wow, man. A very interesting piece of anthropological comparison. Sounds like a topic for a good research paper.
          Last edited by Ben-Thayer Dunnthaedt; 03-27-2004, 12:48 PM.
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          • #50
            <<But I must admit, I still love to see old 50's scifi - give me a sleek rocket, a cool robot, some spacesuits, and a pretty girl for the alien monster to chase and I'm happy as can be!>>

            This Island Earth!
            Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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            • #51
              *Sniff* You don't care about a straight, middle-class American like me.
              I guess you have to be on the other side of the fence to really get that...it's admittedly a stereotypical, connotational meaning. I felt it fit in this case. No slam intended...hell without the straight, middle-class (or any class for that matter) there wouldn't be anyone around to make more of us "mo's"


              Not a yuppie, though!
              There's hope for you yet then.

              As for the Maquis thing...they dropped the ball with that. They could have done more with tension and any number of things. But it was like they forgot they were Maquis after a while.
              They've dropped the ball, period.

              I liked everything about DS9, pretty much. The humor was great, to me. But you are right about the 2-D stuff. But that is ST in general. Everyone from the Federation is a communist-esque hive member. Michael Eddington goes so far as to tell that to Sisko in other terms. "You're worse than the Borg!" That is why I liked Eddington and Garak and Quark...they had something. And despite DS9's difference from other Trek, it still got a bit too preachy. But I still liked the preach eps. "Past Tense" good, but the message was transparent, and even Ira Behr has admitted it. "Far Beyond the Stars" was great, but also transparent, although about a more legitimate issue in its context. There was the female kiss, which I don't think was as much a statement as it was eye candy for ratings. But make no mistake about it, I liked the show, I liked the dialogue, I liked the characters. Miles was probably my favorite human, along with Sisko, and Bashir a close third. Most interesting was the doctor and Miles' relationship, of which some have mistakenly labeled as vaguely homosexual. When in this "homophobic" society are we going to learn that loving your buddies is not gay? I have told my best friend, who is a Marine veteran, that I love him.
              2D characters and too much bland dialogue written in such a way as to make me not care to hear it. I'm not being moved to like or care about ST characters. Other shows are simply doing it better...period.

              Yes, two str8 guys can be close and not be gay. People just like to try to find things that appeal to them or look for heroes where sometimes there are none. (Especially in the ST universe where neither exists anymore.) As for the female kiss...that was a cop-out and a ratings grabber. If they really wanted to tackle the gay issue in Trek, they would do what Gene wanted to do before he died...put a full-time cast member in the show that's openly gay.

              I didn't like Jadzia, though. My mom did. She was just not well written. All of her episodes were stand alone science concepts. Mostly. [/B]
              Loved Jadzia, liked Quark and Garak and O'Brien (a carryover from TNG I remind you), but it wasn't enough to keep me for the entire run. A few decent characters aren't enough...how about some good writing and story and better character developement all the way around. Make me love your characters. I said it above...other shows are simply doing it better.

              CE
              Last edited by colonyearth; 03-29-2004, 09:48 AM.
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              • #52
                1) Firefly (+ Serenity)
                2) Babylon 5
                3) Farscape
                4) Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
                5) Battlestar Galactica (2003)
                6) Star Trek: Enterprise
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                • #53
                  Talk about re-animating a dead thread!


                  Babylon 5
                  Crusade
                  Red Dwarf
                  The Twilight Zone (original, and some of the 80's version)
                  Stargate SG-1
                  Stargate Atlantis
                  Star Trek TOS
                  Star Trek Next Gen.
                  Battlestar Galactica (2003+)
                  The 4400
                  The X-Files (Seasons 1 thru 5, and a few episodes from later seasons).
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by KoshN View Post
                    Talk about re-animating a dead thread!
                    True, but it is a fun one. I'm just moving it to Off-Topic since the beginning of the thread (I think) pre-dates Ranger1 and I as mods.

                    As for the question...I don't recall if I answered it before but here goes:

                    Babylon 5
                    Star Trek TOS
                    Jeremiah
                    Dark Shadows (well, it did have aliens once! And Frankenstein is SF, right?)
                    Battlestar Galactica - new - until I couldn't stand the darkness anymore
                    Dr. Who - new

                    That's all I can think of for now.

                    Jan
                    "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                    • #55
                      Wow, my original list on here was all completed old shows, and of my add-ons, two failed to stay good (Alias, Joan) and the other one (Wonderfalls) failed to stay on.

                      So let's re-do the list. In no particular order:
                      Babylon 5
                      The original, still the best, Twilight Zone
                      Battlestar Galactica (dark as it is, I would have given up hope of any good new sci-fi long ago without it)
                      Farscape (which I finally completed a collection of)
                      Buffy the Vampire Slayer
                      Firefly/Serenity

                      Barring that list and pushing aside the whole genre thing, I also have fondness for Wonderfalls (still, always), the new Dr. Who (how can sci-fi fluff be THAT good...), I still love Lost (and I'm hoping I still will), I'm revisiting Boomtown lately (which was awesome while it lasted), and in a crystal ball of revelation, I see Pushing Daisies (fall, ABC, no I'm not a plant) jumping onto this list quite soon.

                      EDIT - I'll also just toss in the fact that while I'm ashamed of what they became, both the first seasons of Alias and 24 I consider landmarks in their own right. I have a few other seasons of each I'll eventually ditch on some poor sob, but the first's, I keep.

                      EDIT2 - Now my brain keeps working on this, I have to mention Heroes, and that while I love it, it won't make any of my lists yet... not until it proves Season 2 will be just as good or better than Season 1.
                      Last edited by Radhil; 08-10-2007, 06:23 PM. Reason: Further laments of shows long dead - or not quite dead yet
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                      • #56
                        1. Babylon 5
                        2. Star Trek (All of them)
                        3. Babylon 5 (both of them)
                        4. Firefly
                        5. Starman (the series-only lasted a season or so)
                        6. Alien Nation-The Series and movies
                        7. War of the Worlds-Series and the movies
                        8. Earth 2
                        9. Seaquest.

                        ..that's just roughly all I care about..or least can think of

                        I know they aren't sci fi but I also like Chips, Knight Rider, Airwolf just to name a few....there are a few others out there but can't think of them

                        Alex
                        "The Babylon project was our last best hope for peace..It Failed...In the year of the shadow war it became something greater...Our last best hope for victory..the year is 2260..the place Babylon 5"--Lt. Commander Susan Ivanova (opening main title narration from B5)

                        "Faith...Manages"--Delenn and Lennier from B5
                        "Oh, boy, is this GReAT!!"--Stephen Furst as Dorfman (Flounder) from Animal House

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                        • #57
                          Hmm, let's see.

                          X-Files. Used to watch this religiously as a teenager, then completely stopped when it moved it to a later timeslot that made it harder for me to watch. Right around the time it went downhill apparently, so most of my memories of the show are really good.

                          Babylon 5. Well, some of you here may have heard of it.

                          Star Trek, first 3. I grew up with TNG, and for a long time, TNG and television SF were the same thing to me. Love some of the stuff DS9 did, and TOS is a classic. Voyager and Enterprise, not so much.

                          Farscape. I adore the sheer alien-ness of the show, and there is some wonderful character based stuff in here.

                          Doctor Who, both old and new. Caught Ecclestone's series a few years ago, and got hooked to such an extent that between then and now I also watched a good deal of the old stuff.

                          Battlestar Gallactica, new. Great storytelling, that set out to redefine television scifi, and actually did a pretty good job in achieving their goals. I'm really behind on my episodes though.

                          Space: Above and Beyond. To be honest, I shouldn't really include this, since it is so long ago since I saw it, that I can't really remember any specific plot point at all. But this was on roughly around the same period as B5 was in the Netherlands. And I can remember watching both in a strange sort of awe, thinking to myself how different it was from Trek, and that I didn't know television SF could be this too.

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                          • #58
                            1) Babylon5
                            2) Crusade
                            3) Now and Again - everyone should see this show
                            4) Voyager
                            5) Red Dwarf
                            6) The Prisoner
                            7) New Battlestar Galactica
                            8) Doctor Who
                            9) Lost
                            10) Firefly
                            11) Sliders
                            12) Andromeda
                            13) The Next Generation

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                            • #59
                              Obviously I'd have to say Babylon 5 because it was so well written. There's a lot of sci fi out there which is true garbage. Much of it is also the same old idea rehashed a Bazillion times.
                              I like Sci Fi that tries to break away from the norm while at the same time being well written. Space: 1999 definitely broke from the norm and season one was fairly good with season 2 going way down hill, no wonder it was cancelled.
                              Stargate SG-1 is defintely up there because for once there was no starship traveling to different worlds. However, I think the original idea for the motion picture of Stargate was stolen from an early episode of Star Trek TNG season 2 called Contagion, where the Iconians travelled through "Gateways" to other worlds.
                              I'm hoping for another well thought out Sci Fi series to be created to fill this void in my life. JMS help us.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Radhil View Post
                                Barring that list and pushing aside the whole genre thing, I also have fondness for Wonderfalls (still, always), the new Dr. Who (how can sci-fi fluff be THAT good...), I still love Lost (and I'm hoping I still will), I'm revisiting Boomtown lately (which was awesome while it lasted), and in a crystal ball of revelation, I see Pushing Daisies (fall, ABC, no I'm not a plant) jumping onto this list quite soon.
                                Wonderfalls is a favorite of mine, as well. Then you should try Keen Eddie. ...and Brimstone (too bad it's not airing, now, and isn't out on DVD).
                                Last edited by KoshN; 08-11-2007, 08:58 PM.
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