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Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
[B]Well, just like abortion, a majority of Americans are against the marriagies (even the Liberal Hero John Kerry is!) so do you go against the will of the people for what some perceive as the moral thing to do? I understand the position. Would a serial killer want to be executed? (That analogy does not mean to equate gays with killers, just an example)
[B]Well, just like abortion, a majority of Americans are against the marriagies (even the Liberal Hero John Kerry is!) so do you go against the will of the people for what some perceive as the moral thing to do? I understand the position. Would a serial killer want to be executed? (That analogy does not mean to equate gays with killers, just an example)
I remind you, the majority is not always right. It is the judiciary branches' job to interpret the law and in doing so occasionally set that law (ie. Roe Vs. Wade). Why are we suddenly screaming that judges are trying to seize some kind of power over the people as if they were staging some political coup. They're doing the same thing they've been doing since the judiciary branch was conceived and put into place. They are there, sometimes, in order to make certain that one set of views aren't imposed on another (meaning in cases of no personal harm..in personal harm cases one person's desire is forced onto another.) Without religious text or dogma, there is no argument against gay marriage. It causes no harm to society or individuals, and may actually go towards strengthening certain family units...thus making communities and the country more stable. Interracial marriage, civil rights, women's rights, anti-slavery...all unpopular to the majority. Sometimes, change is necessary. "If there is to be a brave new world, Captain, our generation going to have the hardest time living in it." Great line...and true. Sometimes it takes visionary people willing to stand on principle and for what they believe in to bring change about. This is what the Mayor of San Francisco is doing and others. I applaud them. In the SF Mayor's eyes, he is following the law. What you seem to forget is that there is a fundamental conflict in CA state law. The Mayor is following the state's constitution...which says no one should be discriminated against...all are equal...which in his view came first and has greater weight. There is a proposition which passed by popular vote however that seems to contradict the CA constitution. He is following what takes higher presidence.
It's funny. ...the US Consitution has the same rights gauranteed...but no one seems to realize that or that any ammendent banning someone from equality would be outright unconstitutional and un-American.
But...no one is saying we should burn gays at the stake (well, no one in a position of power or sensible). As far as I know, it's not illegal to be gay (not even in Texas.)
On a personal note...I cried when that ruling came down, because for the first time in this country the law now stated that I could no longer go to jail for being with someone I loved...it was no longer illegal to love who I wanted to love. I great day in our history...of course, then Bush had to blacken it with his support of what amounts to nothing more than legislated hatred and persecution.
And as for burning gays at the stake...lol...what do you think Matthew Shepard was? And do you think that was isolated? Oh, but it's cool to beat up the faggots. Makes you tough. But I'll bet it's not so cool to beat up the black guy anymore. No one stands for that...that's sad when it still happens. But people still protest fund raisers for the Matthew Shepard foundation (some of which Matthew's own mother is attending) with hate-filled signs that say Matthew burns in hell. OH yeah...this is the majority I want to trust my freedom to? Nope....I'd rather know that my freedom is assured and protected, and if it takes people with the guts to stand on principle and judges to ensure it...then so be it...call them what you will. I call them heroes.
It's easy to talk about things when you're the one holding all the cards. You have the rights we're seeking. You always have. You can walk down the street hand in hand with your partner and not fear someone attacking you. You don't have to worry about your wife's family coming in and taking all of your belongings after shes dies because you have no right to it. You can visit your spouse in the hospital and make decisions on her behalf. They list goes on and on. The right to marry goes beyond the fact that you're a couple, it also entails certain assurances, protections, and rights to spouses and couples under the law. It's easy to pass judgement when you have nothing to loose.
What would happen if the equivalents of Saudi or Iranian mayor married gay couples? USA is very, very tolerant, despite what some people say.
And that's my way of looking at it.
CE
PS: ZHDD, I understand now on your gay character...it's a girl. You straight men don't mind queer women, that's a turn on....but two guys? He he. I dare you to make the character a gay guy. And write him with compassion and fairness. With hopes and dreams, emotions and pains, just like everyone else. To truly try to understand the gay man's mind. A good writer strives to do just that. It's easier to get into a lesbian mind...you can kinda just imagine it as what you might think with a little bit of your wife's thoughts on top.
Being gay is more than being attracted to the same sex. It's who you are...inside and out. You see the world completely differently. I mean do you think women and men see the world the same way? I don't think anyone would say they do...well, same for gays, lesbians, bi's and transgendereds.
I believe we all carry a piece of the puzzle. We were all meant to be here for a reason. And if we can all ever get over our differences and bring our pieces together...we might just at least have a better clue what this universe is all about.
Some of you are going to say, "So you're saying God created gay people."
YES, that's exactly what I'm saying. For every front there is a back. For every up, a down. Does the front hate the back for being behind it? NO...it is simply what is. But together they make up..a something. I was born this way, I didn't choose it...and those who say I did are full of shit...period. Those gay people who say they chose to be gay are full of shit and living in some form of denial to make themselves feel as if they have an out if things get too rough. I know, I speak from living...I've run the gamut of the reasons and counter-reasons, emotions and pains one goes through when coming to terms with the fact the they're different than with "society" says it "normal." They're just saying to themselves in justification..."maybe if I think of it this way or that way then I can change if I have to." Well, I hate to tell them, they can try but it don't work. You're gay, you're gay...period...I can't change it anymore than you can turn bright pink and sprout wings and fart-blast your way to the moon.
We can accept our diversity...celebrate and respect it...or we can make people hide who they are and hate their existence. Which one do you think God would prefer we do?
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