The Rampant, Irresponsible Political Thread

[Dr Maturin]

Crash was pretty much given for political reasons, as it was all about how racism is bad. In the most heavy-handed way possible. Thanks, Hollywood, I would have never figured it out without you.

That film was complete and utter shit, BTW. Just absolutely terrible. The Oscar should have gone to, no kidding, the gay cowboy film.

All that said, I think LIM is perhaps taking the wrong approach. The Oscars are more likely to give awards to INDIVIDUALS either because they're left-wing darlings (examples: Al Gore, Michael Moore) or rather because they feel that the role that person was playing is some sort of important message to America. It doesn't happen EVERY year, but it does happen, I would say, enough so that it's not uncommon.

Right. But there are definite liberal overtones (if not downright liberal messages) in most of the above movies. Obviously, I am not going to go over every single on of them, but if Best Picture doesn't get it one year, the message will come out in another category.

[Karachi Vyce]

I think my JMS comment got edited out.

[Radhil]

So.... your entire arguement comes down to... "There are liberal messages in most Hollywood films."

My god it's true. I'm going to go sit down as the shock of this realization washes over me.

[Karachi Vyce]

My entire argument is that whenever the entertainment industry gets together for one of their vanity awards shows, they're more likely to reward those who follow their line of thinking than not.

[Radhil]

Was meant to be for LiM, your reply snuck in there. I have to use the quoting thing more often.

Either way... c'mon guys. It's the ARTS. Or so many think.

I hereby proclaim there should be more liberal messages in WWE and NASCAR.

[Karachi Vyce]

Hollywood's problem is that they are incapable of being subtle. It's usually heavy-handed dreck. Take the film Kingdom of Heaven, for example. What could have been an interesting film on the Crusades was two hours of Orlando Bloom looking pretty, while trying to hammer home the message that the Muslims were the honorable warriors, while the Christians were so dastardly that I expected them to be twirling their Snidely Whiplasy handlebar moustaches.

It's like, can you just give me a regular goddamn movie, without preaching to me. This is, BTW, one of the problems with the Civil War crossover at Marvel. One of the problems, I say, because the entire series - including the stories of the individual titles tied in to it - were absolute dog SHIT, full of inaccurate continuity and grossly wrong characterizations, confounded by shitty plotting and a ridiculous ending. But that's what they get for letting Mark "This is my face as I'm fucking you in the ass" Millar write the damn thing. I just want to read a decent comic book, you don't have to be trying to teach me some sort of bullshit social commentary, thanks.

[AaronB]

I hereby proclaim there should be more liberal messages in WWE and NASCAR.

Ah, but there is. Edge now isn't wrestling because of <insert reason for City being racist here> (eg in Washington, DC it was because of the nickname of their football team the Redskins).

[Jan]

I think my JMS comment got edited out.

What JMS comment where, Vyce? I recall that you thought something had been edited in (I believe) the Eastwood/Jolie thread up above and I explained that and linked you to DougO's explanation of why about a dozen posts from Sunday were lost. If there was another, I'm unaware of it. The rule is that if we edit, we note exactly why in the post we've edited. And except for spam, the only posts I know of that have ever been deleted were a couple that contained threats against a prominent civil servant.

Jan

[Lunan]

What JMS comment where, Vyce? I recall that you thought something had been edited in (I believe) the Eastwood/Jolie thread up above and I explained that and linked you to DougO's explanation of why about a dozen posts from Sunday were lost. If there was another, I'm unaware of it. The rule is that if we edit, we note exactly why in the post we've edited. And except for spam, the only posts I know of that have ever been deleted were a couple that contained threats against a prominent civil servant.

Jan

speaking of threats and civil servants...
i find it interesting that Ariana Huffington is taking so much flack for removing hate filled posts from her blog site.
its her site and it purpose is to talk about political events of the day ina somewhat rational manner, not have treats and regret and hate posts toword someone. every other site i know of (thats worth reading) edits out remorks like the ones she removed but people are bashing her for "not upholding free speach" and the like

shameful
(not that all her political ideas are sound, but she makes alot more sense then ann coulter)

[Jan]

(Disclaimer - I'm not familiar with her or her site but...)

It's her site. "Freedom of Speach" is the right of a citizen, not a guest in somebody's home or website or blog or bbs. Her site is her own space, just as her own living room is. It's up to her to decide what she'll tolerate in her own space. If they want to exercise freedom of speach, let them find a street corner or spout off in their own space. If she requires a civil form of discourse in hers, more power to her. Maybe if the signal to noise ratio was lowered some actual communication can take place.

Jan

[Lunan]

(Disclaimer - I'm not familiar with her or her site but...)

It's her site. "Freedom of Speach" is the right of a citizen, not a guest in somebody's home or website or blog or bbs. Her site is her own space, just as her own living room is. It's up to her to decide what she'll tolerate in her own space. If they want to exercise freedom of speach, let them find a street corner or spout off in their own space. If she requires a civil form of discourse in hers, more power to her. Maybe if the signal to noise ratio was lowered some actual communication can take place.

Jan

i agree completely but i thought it was worth talking about in a political thread, espically as the people pissed at her supported political edits on things like wikipedia

[David Panzer]

Hollywood's problem is that they are incapable of being subtle. It's usually heavy-handed dreck. Take the film Kingdom of Heaven, for example. What could have been an interesting film on the Crusades was two hours of Orlando Bloom looking pretty, while trying to hammer home the message that the Muslims were the honorable warriors, while the Christians were so dastardly that I expected them to be twirling their Snidely Whiplasy handlebar moustaches.

It's like, can you just give me a regular goddamn movie, without preaching to me. This is, BTW, one of the problems with the Civil War crossover at Marvel. One of the problems, I say, because the entire series - including the stories of the individual titles tied in to it - were absolute dog SHIT, full of inaccurate continuity and grossly wrong characterizations, confounded by shitty plotting and a ridiculous ending. But that's what they get for letting Mark "This is my face as I'm fucking you in the ass" Millar write the damn thing. I just want to read a decent comic book, you don't have to be trying to teach me some sort of bullshit social commentary, thanks.

If I saw more than 2 movies a year, I might actually care about messages in movies.

The only comics I read anymore are tradebacks of various Vertigo series that interest me, the Cerebus tradebacks, and a handful of manga that interest me. I lost interest in superhero comics after I read Watchmen for the first time in college about 9 years ago.

[Dr Maturin]

So.... your entire arguement comes down to... "There are liberal messages in most Hollywood films."

My god it's true. I'm going to go sit down as the shock of this realization washes over me.

Unfortunately, "liberal" usually breaks down to anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, with a touch of revisionist history and apologist propaganda.

And no, that wasn't my entire argument. It isn't tough to read that which I posted.

I hereby proclaim there should be more liberal messages in WWE and NASCAR.

Oh, you are so sly! Liberals have the monopoly on the arts and we conservatives got redneck Nascar and wrasslin', huh? Utterly ridiculous and far from reality.

Note: I just found out that NASCAR is an acronym. Funny how a liberal knew this before I did, huh?

Arianna Huffington

I've seen this woman and she's a model moron who can barely articulate a thought. Most left wing blogs have the most virulent language that one would have to search far and wide to find anything comparable. Also: don't trust anybody with superfluous consonants in their name.

I read Watchmen

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/771/771947/rorshach_badge_1173478000-000.jpg

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[David Panzer]

I no longer watch movies based on Alan Moore comics. I learned my lesson painfully with From Hell.

Excellent comic, horrible film

[I love Lyta]

What could have been an interesting film on the Crusades was two hours of Orlando Bloom looking pretty, while trying to hammer home the message that the Muslims were the honorable warriors, ...

I honestly don't know this movie but you DO realize that it was Saladin and his docs who healed Richard who suffered from malnutrition, do you?