The Rampant, Irresponsible Political Thread

[I love Lyta]

What, you want someone to outright say it? I will.
Kill people. Kill a LOT of people. Thousands if necessary. And start levelling every mosque used by or giving aid to insurgents.
Pacification is easy.

I tend to agree with the quote of Banks here. If you do that you will have more newly born insurgents up your ass then ever before.
But please, do tell an unknowing one which countries the US have succesfully pacified this way. I for one can't think of one. Not saying there isn't one - really. No sarcasm here. I just can't think of one right now.

Our problem was trying to win the hearts and minds of a savage people who were never going to accept us to begin with.

You see, the real problem is not what you call insurgency. It is the age old conflict between Shiites and Sunites. As Peter Scholl Latour (THE most famous german political scientist and expert for the middle east) said at the beginning of the war: "There will NEVER be peace in Iraq." for the reasons I gave in my previous post.
Honestly, I do think that the US has but two alternatives to end the bombings. Nuking the whole place or pulling out and let matters atend to themselves.

[Andrew_Swallow]

I tend to agree with the quote of Banks here. If you do that you will have more newly born insurgents up your ass then ever before.
But please, do tell an unknowing one which countries the US have succesfully pacified this way. I for one can't think of one. Not saying there isn't one - really. No sarcasm here. I just can't think of one right now.

Answer = the USA. Wounded knee was many years ago.

Andrew Swallow

[I love Lyta]

*LOL* I meant foreign countries, mind you.

[Andrew_Swallow]

*LOL* I meant foreign countries, mind you.

To win use tactics that have been successful in the past.

[Lunan]

To win use tactics that have been successful in the past.

Nukes? Genocide? Napalm? Economics? jesusfreaks?

[SmileOfTheShadow]

Nukes? Genocide? Napalm? Economics? jesusfreaks?

Or you can win the game by building up your culture so much that neighboring cities decide to join your civilization!!

Oh wait...

*goes back to video game.*

[Radhil]

Civ: Armchair world-building and electronic addictive substance since 1990.

I've always liked turning Ghandi into a world-conquering emperor myself.

[Lunan]

Civ: Armchair world-building and electronic addictive substance since 1990.

I've always liked turning Ghandi into a world-conquering emperor myself.

that is amusing, i personally edited the rules and cities and put in the Pernese and stuck them in austrila, they can be a bitch to beat, i also sometimes put the arabs in either as myself as leader or let them go, they usually conquer the romans or the greeks(whichever i put in) but tend to fall to the chinese

as to iraq now. get evry last american and allied person out. let them fight it out and kill each other, oh and put massive presure on iran to keep them out

[Towelmaster]

I dunno. Leaving them alone may have been a 'solution' during Saddam's reign, but that's just water under the bridge.

I think that if you leave Iraq alone now, the country won't stand a chance against Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etcetera. And once the American are out of the country it will be damned hard for them to get in again after Iran et. al. have claimed parts of Iraq. Essentially; leaving the Middle East means giving up the influence the U.S.A. now has over the area. This is what Europe warned about four years ago by the way, only to be called a 'Cowardly Old World' by a certain mister Rumsfeld(I believe). Mister Rumsfeld has now obviously left the building so he won't be bothered with the results of his plans. The mess is for someone else to clean up, be they Republican or Democrat.

In my opinion it's too late to just withdraw now. The Jinnie is out of the bottle and you can't just put it back when the seats in the House and the Senate change parties. We are talking global politics here, and that doesn't stop for an election in the U.S.A.

The party/person(s) who manage to get the U.S.A. out of Iraq in an orderly and timely fashion will be the party to rule America in the near future. Too bad that neither side has a clue about how to do it. And neither does the rest of the world for that matter.

[I love Lyta]

I don't really believe that either country would be out to occupy iraq once the americans are out. And even if so, THEY would have to deal with a combined insurgency of both sunites AND shiites, methinks. Because even though irnian and iraqian shiites are of the same religious group, the iraqian ones would never willingly surrender their land's ressources. Except for if they would want to found a shiite state that consists of both countries and to eradicate the sunites completely.

[Lunan]

I don't really believe that either country would be out to occupy iraq once the americans are out. And even if so, THEY would have to deal with a combined insurgency of both sunites AND shiites, methinks. Because even though irnian and iraqian shiites are of the same religious group, the iraqian ones would never willingly surrender their land's ressources. Except for if they would want to found a shiite state that consists of both countries and to eradicate the sunites completely.

i have no problem with that. infact it may be the best solution overall

[Towelmaster]

I don't really believe that either country would be out to occupy iraq once the americans are out. And even if so, THEY would have to deal with a combined insurgency of both sunites AND shiites, methinks. Because even though irnian and iraqian shiites are of the same religious group, the iraqian ones would never willingly surrender their land's ressources. Except for if they would want to found a shiite state that consists of both countries and to eradicate the sunites completely.

Different countries can claim different pieces of Iraq, thus enlarging their own territory. You could end up with no Iraq, but a larger Iran, Syria, etcetera.

I don't think that making those countries bigger and stronger was the initial goal of the Bush-administration but it may be the end-result...

[Dr Maturin]

Wow. I can't believe that I didn't hear about this until I saw the cover of my newest issue of National Review.

RIP Milton Friedman.

[AaronB]

Wow. I can't believe that I didn't hear about this until I saw the cover of my newest issue of National Review.

RIP Milton Friedman.

Jeane Kirkpatrick passed away last night as well.

[Dr Maturin]

Bad year for conservatives. And I'm not even talking about the elections!