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    Over There

    This proposed thread for discussion of the series Over There, a drama set during the current situation in Iraq. My personal comments follow.

    I just read about this series recently, as it has just come to a satellite channel on this side of the pond. Apprently it was killed off, despite being cited as OK by veterans of the conflict. Anyone have any thoughts on it? I'll be PVRing (sort of a home-custom TiVO) it from Sunday and I'd like to hear reactions from Americans - was it received well, is it any good?
    Phaze
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    [edit] removed false assertion [/edit]
    Last edited by phazedout; 01-21-2006, 01:54 AM.
    "There are no good wars. War is always the worst possible way to resolve differences. It degenerates and corrupts both sides to ever more sordid levels of existence, in their need to gain an advantage over the enemy. Those actively involved in combat are almost always damaged goods for the rest of their lives. If their bodies don't bear scars, their minds do, ofttimes both. Many have said it before, but it can't be said to enough, war is hell. "
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  • #2
    Originally posted by phazedout
    Apprently it was killed off by a bush-appointed director of the FCC, despite being cited as OK by veterans of the conflict.
    Whoever told you that is an idiot.
    Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by phazedout
      I just read about this series recently, as it has just come to a satellite channel on this side of the pond. Apprently it was killed off by a bush-appointed director of the FCC, despite being cited as OK by veterans of the conflict. Anyone have any thoughts on it? I'll be PVRing (sort of a home-custom TiVO) it from Sunday and I'd like to hear reactions from Americans - was it received well, is it any good?
      [edit] typos [/edit]
      Holy Christ, are you joking with me?

      I'm supposing by your 'this side of the pond' comment that you're British, or at least European, so let me explain a little thing about TV shows here in America: here in the States, we 'Yanks' have a little thing called "TV ratings". If a TV show gets good to decent ratings, it remains on the air. If it gets bad or poor ratings, then that TV show gets cancelled.

      It's not a POLITICAL decision - the FCC doesn't have the power to cancel TV shows in THIS country - it's a *business* decision that's made by the network that airs the show.

      That's what happened to "Over There". It was a TV show that was fairly well reviewed by the critics, but unlike several other dramas that are produced & aired by the FX network - such as "The Shield", "Rescue Me" and "Nip / Tuck" - the show got shit ratings. I know it's a crazy concept, but over here, if a TV show gets shit ratings, it doesn't survive long. And it's not the government that pulls the plug.

      BTW, I like that you're making all of these assertions without even SEEING the show (you 'read' that Bush had the show killed? I hope this was something you just read on some idiot's webpage on the internet, I would hope actual journalism isn't THAT bad over where you are). If you had seen the show, you'd know that the series wasn't really that negative towards the Iraq War. If anything, it was largely balanced or neutral.
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      • #4
        I just read about this series recently, as it has just come to a satellite channel on this side of the pond. Apprently it was killed off by a bush-appointed director of the FCC, despite being cited as OK by veterans of the conflict.
        As said by ZHD and as *ahem* vehemently denied by Karachi (to be fair, I formerly said trolling), your info is incorrect. FX pulled the plug on it because it's ratings were mediocre at best. The FCC never even glanced menacingly at it, that I knew of. Likely wouldn't have - FX is a cable only station and unless they start showing full-on pornography (something FX is probably plotting on other shows) the FCC's not likely to intervene. And the FCC can only fine them into oblivion - it can't actually stop a broadcast, that I know of.
        Last edited by Radhil; 01-20-2006, 11:17 AM. Reason: Administrative Suggestions *bows to Jan*
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        • #5
          Karachi Vyce wasn't at all polite but nothing in the above post was trolling.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Phazedout
            Anyone have any thoughts on it? - and I'd like to hear reactions from Americans - was it received well, is it any good?
            I found the show to be more of an exaggeration and placed the characters of the show in unbelievable/impossible positions. As an American who served in the military during the first Gulf War, I watched a few episodes of the FX Channel ôOver Thereö and lost interest quickly.

            I agree with the other posts in this thread, Bush or his supporters couldnÆt have anything to do with the canceling of this show. It was just over the top and over done, plus IMHO it was too early to film or create a show about a current war. Too many variables to deal with at the time.



            Note: Times/Discovery channel does a good job of showing what's happening over there.
            Last edited by rallytbk; 01-20-2006, 01:32 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Radhil
              As said by ZHD and as *ahem* vehemently denied by Karachi (to be fair, I formerly said trolling), your info is incorrect. FX pulled the plug on it because it's ratings were mediocre at best. The FCC never even glanced menacingly at it, that I knew of. Likely wouldn't have - FX is a cable only station and unless they start showing full-on pornography (something FX is probably plotting on other shows) the FCC's not likely to intervene. And the FCC can only fine them into oblivion - it can't actually stop a broadcast, that I know of.
              The FCC can't even fine. They have no control over cable TV.
              Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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              • #8
                Duly noted,

                I'll edit my original post and remove the assertion, read it on a IT journal/web page called the register, they usually give good info.

                Apologies for any offense caused, just repreating what I'd read, really just wanted an opinion, and I've certainly generated that, still the nature of debate is differing opinions and our rational discussion of them, I'll wander off into the political thread now, where I really should have put this in the first place (or at least the bush assertion anyway.
                OH and BTW, if you check the top of any of my posts it lists my location.

                Phaze
                "There are no good wars. War is always the worst possible way to resolve differences. It degenerates and corrupts both sides to ever more sordid levels of existence, in their need to gain an advantage over the enemy. Those actively involved in combat are almost always damaged goods for the rest of their lives. If their bodies don't bear scars, their minds do, ofttimes both. Many have said it before, but it can't be said to enough, war is hell. "

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                • #9
                  I saw episode one....from here in the UK

                  Well, I did in fact see the opening episode of OVER THERE, here is what I thought.

                  Whilst the folks that suggested it was an exageration (sp? - Must be my age!) are not wrong - it was quite over the top in places - to me, it still seemed to capture very well the mindless brutality that war brings out in any 'civilised' society. Whilst this opinion may change over the coming months as the show progresses (at least, as far as it can progress) both FireBird and myself are looking forward to the second episode.

                  And (even though I don't - for one second - think that it is what has happened here) as for those who actually think that governments can't/don't pull things that are embarrassing or inconvenient to them (whether they are in print, on film, on the television) oh, such innocence - it's refreshing to find that it still exists.
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                  • #10
                    Well, if the government did find that such a fictional show was hindering the war effort, then yes, it should have shut it down. But most Americans are savvy enough to know how silly the show is, and I don't think it was doing anything other than drawing the shakes of many heads.

                    Hell, the news media is doing a perfectly good job of hindering war support, without the help of some unrealistic tripe.
                    Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
                      Hell, the news media is doing a perfectly good job of hindering war support, without the help of some unrealistic tripe.
                      My feelings exactly, but I didnÆt want to sound negative, lol. I just wanted to state as a veteran who served during the 1990 war and that I lost interest it within a few episodes, because it was ôan exaggeration and placed the characters of the show in unbelievable/impossible positions.ö

                      Other people have judged this show, and hereÆs one of them.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by phazedout
                        I'll edit my original post and remove the assertion, read it on a IT journal/web page called the register, they usually give good info.
                        If they're posting utterly ridiculous tripe like "George Bush got this show cancelled!", then I feel fairly confident in writing off their news division as pure bullshit.

                        Originally posted by LightStorm
                        And (even though I don't - for one second - think that it is what has happened here) as for those who actually think that governments can't/don't pull things that are embarrassing or inconvenient to them (whether they are in print, on film, on the television) oh, such innocence - it's refreshing to find that it still exists.
                        Hey, you're right.

                        Curse George W. Bush! I heard off some website that he got West Wing cancelled! When will his tyranny end?!?!?!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Karachi Vyce
                          When will his tyranny end?!?!?!
                          Late January 2009?

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                          • #14
                            In my experience, while The Register does some good, sound stuff on IT related issues when it gets things wrong, it usually gets them very, very wrong. And they make no pretence at impartiality, even on the IT Stuff.

                            Here's an interesting article plucked at random (actually the very first one) from the current home page.

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                            The Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be

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