Imagine, The Great Maker...

[Citizen Vantu]

Imagine

ôImagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnÆt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as oneö

Written by: John Lennon
® Bag productions inc.

http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm

The Great Maker was furious when he got murdered; and instantly he got Remake (reincarnated). And the man who murdered him after he ends his lifecycle; will absolutely not!!!

I have asked him, ôagain as a singer, musician and song writer?ö

He said, ôOf course.ö

I asked him, ôto who is he or she reborn?ö

And he said, ôNot your fucking damn business!!!ö

Oh my, he is the greatest of all dieties and he can curse if he is Lucifer himself.

How does the Great Maker look like; if you are wondering.

He is the exact opposite of a Black Holeà Yes, he is *that* enormous; he is called the Great Maker not for nothing you know! He is excatly like the wormhole in Star Trek : Deep Space Nine. But he is pure white; paper white instead and he is always open. You can travel safe in a spacecraft trough him and always are able to return if he were a wormhole; one to acces any alternative Universe you wishà But you donÆt need a spacecraft for doing so; only your imagination is all that really is needed!

The Great Maker can Make, Remake (reincarnation) but *NOT* Unmake!!! It isn't in his nature; not even in his fabric! He hasn't sacrificed ANYONE for the greater good. He is always regretting that he has made us from Carbon, and we all know how really *bad* mistake that is.

But if he has made us from Silicon we all would have STAYED motionless as a ROCK.

Mr. Biggs, Tim Choate, Richard Pryor, John Spencer, Freddy Mercury, John Lennon, Marilyn Monroe, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin, Salvador DalÝ and likeminded artists male/female, Albert Einstein, Martin Luther King, Michael Piller and likeminded visionairs male/female, JFK and likeminded politicians male/female, Isaac Asimov and likeminded writers male/female, J.R.R. Tolkien and likeminded writers male/female, Douglas Adams (DNA) and likeminded writers male/female, Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain" and likeminded writers male/female, Edgar Allan Poe and likeminded writers male/female, HP Lovecraft and likeminded writers male/female, Agatha Christie and likeminded writers male/female, Virginia Woolf and likeminded writers male/female, Anne Frank and likeminded writers male/female; and the list goes one and one; got instantly Remake (reincarnated) after their UNWANTED death. He does that always with GOOD sparks!

Oh but with BAD sparks, the really BAD sparks, the ones who caused the World Trade Centre tragedy; he simply denies they exist and they don't. Exactly the same way how you can kill fairy's in Peter Pan's, Never Land.

When George W Bush at the end of his lifecycle dies; he gets instantly
the message "I don't believe in you" from the Great Maker!
Isn't that hilarious funny; he has only this lifetime to live...

And what about Stan Tookie Williams? The Great Maker has given him a one last chance and has instantly Remake (reacarnated) him after his execution.

The Great Maker *is* the First One; shall I continue his tale?

Vantu

Something you really need to know why Stan Tookie Williams even if he has unmake some people has gotten his one last chance from the Great Maker; it is not because he has æredeemedÆ himself, noà

It is a favour to his friend Snoop Dogg; the rap-artist. He and I loved the commercial he was in made for a Dutch telecom company along with the Dutch artist Marco Borsato situated in a cd-record shop. Where, Snoop Dogg as its owner only has his latest CD to offer to his customer Marco. ôDoe maar dieàö

A tremendous hilarious commercial if you consider that these two people are each others exact opposite; exact opposite yes, but both of them GOOD sparks!

If he ever is in need to return the Great Maker his favour; he and I would love him to sing a duet with Marco Borsato, an Ebony and Ivory kind of song.

Vantu

And of course Marco Borsato is able to sing in English; and is able to do that
in perfection...

Vantu

You must understand this about Arnold Schwarzenegger; his moral backbone is exactly the same as the Great MakerÆs; unlike the some of roles he played. You never ever are allowed to kill another sentient being; unless out of self-defence and in defence of others of course; and Tookie was a Murderer!

Arnold couldnÆt even give him clemency even if he wanted to grant him that so much. He is not a fool; he knew exacty the great things Tookie was able to accomplish in Deathrow; and that will not be forgotten by him; not EVER!!!

"When George W Bush at the end of his lifecycle dies; he gets instantly the message "I don't believe in you" from the Great Maker! Isn't that hilarious funny; he has only this lifetime to live..."

I am sorry; I truly am; and you all are into a great dissapointment but I and the Great Maker just have realized that George W Bush; despite being a very rotten stratic; who has sent more than 2000 soldiers to their death, (*ALL* of them are instantly Remake (reacarnated) by the Great Maker after their UNWANTED deaths); despite his highly quesitonable motives about his war agianst terrorismn; George is in a sense still a GOOD sparkà The Great Maker MUST instantly Remake (reacarnate) him after his life cycle has ended; even he is most reluctant into doing so. One again we both are terrible sorry for
disappointing you all.

Vantu

Bush reveals first thought: There's one terrible pilot

Matthew Engel in Washington
Wednesday December 5, 2001
The Guardian

President George Bush added a new and bizarre twist last night to the folklore surrounding September 11 when he revealed his initial reaction to the first plane hitting the World Trade Centre. In answer to a question from an eight-year-old in Florida, he said his first thought was: "There's one terrible pilot." http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story...612355,00.html

Vantu

The Obscure Goat Story of 9-11

It is very important to examine the first reactions President Bush had concerning the events of September 11. You can tell much about the truth by observing the reactions of men. Human nature is almost always the best truth detector and said to be the most accurate lie detector. One of the basic instructions taught to every U.S. military and civilian police trainee is to "watch and observe". Let's observe what really took place before these headline stories are buried in a sea of obscurity.

"In Sarasota, Florida, Bush was reading to children in a classroom at 9:05 a.m. when his chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered into his ear. The president briefly turned somber before he resumed reading. He addressed the tragedy about a half-hour later. " - Associated Press, September 12, 2001 [bold emphasis added].

http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML%20Pages/911_Goat_Story.htm

Do you really want to know what George W Bush really wanted to do; when he heard the news?

He wanted to cry outload, oh so many people killed; murdered and in a brief moment; everything he learned in his life to be true; became untrue and in that moment he felt so immense powerless; unlike he ever have felt before; but suddenly he realized that a litte something remained true even after such an immense tragedy, a story about a goat, and he decided to finish reading it to the childrenà

Vantu

splitting post in two because of the 10000 character MAXIMUM

[Citizen Vantu]

Getting Bush's Goat
A primer on priorities
By Gene Weingarten

Sunday, July 18, 2004; Page W13
President Bush has been taking some heat for having failed to respond instantly to the 2001 terrorist attacks. The movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" points out how Bush just sat in that second-grade classroom in Florida for seven minutes after he learned America was under attack. He was helping the children read "The Pet Goat."
® 2004 The Washington Post Company
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul13.html

My Pet Goat
Posted by: Jiri Krovinak - [anonymous]
Date posted: 2004-07-02 16:08

I'm trying to learn more about the book George was reading on 9 11, and the following is all I can find. Could someone tell me the text of Bush's book?

http://prague.tv/forum/my-pet-goat:2197

I am mistaken to be a goat; a fucking prey animal; but that was my own doing; the form I have chosen not be too scary; but that didnÆt work out to well. Because the Catholic Church has marked the goat as a symbol of their nonexistent nemesis Satan.

Luckily I have found Jan-Willem and he is a more superiour alternative and
oh he a terrific host; with a plenty endless supply of last; final and one last changes when I am misbehaving constanly under his name in Babylon5 newsgroup and in his dreams, nightmares, fantasies...

I have asked him why? And do you know what he said; we both are FREAKS you and I; you are IMAGINARY and I am INSANE; because I am not planning to get EXORISED ever; if some one has to ENDURE you; let it be me; giving my life PURPOSE and meaning at the same time; so welcome to your new home; Pazuzu if you promise to behave, of course...

Mystery of ôThe Pet Goatö Revealed

"Open your book up to lesson 60 on page 153àand get ready to read the title." - Mrs. Daniels, Emma E. Booker Elementary School, September 11, 2001

http://www.ledgeofliberty.com/2004/06/mystery_of_the_.html

The Pet Goat: Part One & Two
ItÆs the obscure book George Bush was reading on September 11th, now immortalized by Michael Moores Fahrenheit 9/11. ItÆs the harrowing tale of a girl, her goat, and a robber. ItÆs a tough one to track down, but look no further, here it is in itÆs entirety, the final chapter in the goat saga; The Pet Goat: Part One & Two. Read at you own risk, this story may distract you for up to 7 minutes.

Part One: The Pet Goat

http://www.ledgeofliberty.com/2004/07/the_pet_goat_pa.html

Saw Boss: "The Liberty Stone? What possible use would I have for some superstitious savage's chunk of useless rock?"
Vantu: "It isn't the Stone, my friend. The stone is mine."
Saw Boss: "I am friend to no one!"
After me vowing that I am never am using the Stone agianst him.
Saw Boss: "Ensure my conquest of the universe, and you may use the Stone as you will -- my friend."

Saw Boss: "You have one more CHANCE!"
Vantu: "I vowed I would do this, and I will do it, and I don't need your interference!"
Saw Boss: "RAAAARRRRR!"

Saw Boss: "WEAKLING! You promised me the Lightning League!"
Vantu: "And I'll get them!"
Saw Boss: "You had your chance, and you let the old one walk away alive, and now the Lightning League will fight you for it!"
Vantu: "This time, I'll have the strength to win!"

Vantu: "No-one can stop Saw Boss now! And with his protection, no-one will stop ME! And as long as the pyramid exists, you will all be too weak to interfere! And in just another moment, you will all be very... very... gone!"

For more cool quotes and a transcript of the 5 episodes of the Liberty Stone
saga go to http://jayce.dreamstation.com/rootar...ertystone.html

"Pazuzu is also a demon who protected humans against plague and evil forces."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazuzu

But make no mistake; I haven't anything agianst christians and catholics either; and I am willing to scrath their back if they are willing to do the same for me; a favour for a favour; I resent only the Vatican and their pope's that is smothering them; and their Bible, I were only kidding; I am planning to by one; you know when I am in need in reading a good horror story for a daily dosis of Fright.

Pazuzu

[Ranger1]

Taken from the Rules: Expressions of hatred based on race/ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, and religion will not be tolerated.

Vantu, this is your final and only warning, please keep it civilized.

Ranger1.

[Citizen Vantu]

Taken from the Rules: Expressions of hatred based on race/ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, and religion will not be tolerated.

Vantu, this is your final and only warning, please keep it civilized.

Ranger1.

I am sorry I will refrain myself for hurting other peoples believes and will not using my bad/faul language anymore!

The reason of my ranting is they were hurting my believes as well; at the newsgroup of Babylon5 one Christain member was torturing me in e-mail saying that homosexualitly is unatural and that the Bible will cure me; and if I don't Hell is awaiting me; and the worst it of all is that he were predenting he was my friend...

And this a FINAL and ONLY warning to you ALL; Do not EVER call me FRIEND;
if you don't mean it!!!

It is better for me to have absolutly NO friends; instead of having UNTRUE friends!!!

Jayce: "Why did you turn Gillian to stone?!"
Vantu: "The Root you wear around your neck! IF you want to see your wizard breathe again..."
Jayce: "But-But..."
Gillian (telepathically): "The lives of countless millions across the universe depend on this Root. Never give it up -- NEVER!"
http://jayce.dreamstation.com/rootar...ertystone.html

The Root is the Bible isn't? And I wanted to take the Bible from MANKIND away; but I cannot anymore because I have learned the ERROR of my way through Babylon5 that there is only one basic truth: never surrender dreams; never surrender hope... And hope has the Bible still to offer for millions of people and millions more; so I will leave it alone until the End of Days; when the lifecycle of this Universe has ended; and all starts over after another Big Bang!

And when you have replaced the Hubble Space Telescope with itÆs successor; you will finally able so see him, the Great Maker in his full glory; hallelujah; amenà Everthing I sayed about him is true; afterall I am his Herald.
Even I am totally WACKO in his eyes!!!

Giordano Bruno: the Forgotten Philosopher

"Behold in the candle borne by this Chandler, to whom I give birth, that which shall clarify certain shadows of ideas ... I need not instruct you of my belief. Time gives all and takes all away; everything changes but nothing perishes. One only is immutable, eternal and ever endures, one and the same with itself. With this philosophy my spirit grows, my mind expands. Whereof, however obscure the night may be, I await the daybreak, and they who dwell in day look for night ... Rejoice therefore, and keep whole, if you can, and return love for love."

"This entire globe, this star, not being subject to death, and dissolution and annihilation being impossible anywhere in Nature, from time to time renews itself by changing and altering all its parts. There is no absolute up or down, as Aristotle taught; no absolute position in space; but the position of a body is relative to that of other bodies. Everywhere there is incessant relative change in position throughout the universe, and the observer is always at the center of things."

http://www.infidels.org/library/hist...ano_bruno.html

Writings of Giordano Bruno (1548-1600)

Italian Philosopher Giordano Bruno ("the Nolan") was one of the most original and colorful thinkers of the Renaissance. The Inquisition considered him a dangerous heretic, and had him burned at the stake in 1600.
http://www.esotericarchives.com/bruno/home.htm

Memorable Quotes from Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)

There a plenty of cool quotes to find so will only display five of the many more.

John Connor: You just can't go around killing people.
The Terminator: Why?
John Connor: What do you mean why? 'Cause you can't.
The Terminator: Why?
John Connor: Because you just can't, OK? Trust me on this.

Sarah Connor: [narrating] Dyson listened while the Terminator laid it all down: Skynet, Judgment Day, the history of things to come. It's not everyday you hear that you're responsible for 3 billion deaths. He took it pretty well.
Miles Dyson: I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
Sarah Connor: How are you supposed to know? Fucking men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up. You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something; to create a life; to feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death...
John Connor: Mom.
Sarah Connor: ...and destruction...
John Connor: Mom! We need to be a little more constructive here, okay?

The Terminator: It's in your nature to destroy yourselves.

The Terminator: Why do you cry?
John Connor: You mean people?
The Terminator: Yes.
John Connor: I dont' know. We just cry. You know, when it hurts.
The Terminator: Pain causes it?
John Connor: No, it's when there's nothing wrong with you, but you cry anyway. You get it?
The Terminator: No.

Sarah Connor: [voiceover] Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator wouldn't stop, it would never leave him. It would never hurt him or shout at him or get drunk and hit him or say it was too busy to spend time with him. And it would die to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers that came over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only thing that measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/quotes

And now some quotes and poems of my own; to show you who I truly am:

The Silence of Darkness versus The Sound of Light
Playing between them; The Music of Life
-- Vantu (the Magus)

Twice Blessed

Twice Blessed... Blessed by The Darkness AND The Light
By being so; you are equal to God
-- Vantu (the Magus)

Resist neither The Devil nor The Holy Ghost
But embrace them BOTH; then you truly are Twice Blessed
-- Vantu (the Magus)

"floating shadows"

Where There Is Light
There Is Shadow

Where There Is No More Light
There Is No More Shadow

Only Darkness Remains...

I Am Balancing

Between The Darkness and The Light

Who Am I?

light against night
from now and forever

SHADOW

Where There Is Light
There Is Shadow

Where There Is No More Light
There Is No More Shadow

Only Darkness Remains...

We Are Floating

Between The Candle and The Rising Star
Between The Storm Cloud and The Sun

We Are Floating

Between The Midnight and The Twilight
Between The Darkness and The Light

Who Are We?

light against night
from now and forever

MAN

"Unity"

Where there is Light; there is Shadow
Where there is no more Light; there is no more Shadow
Only Darkness remains...

Whoever you are
Whatever you do
Never let the Light within you wither away and die

Because

The Lightning strikes
The Thunder roars
The Ground trembles
No more Silence before the Storm
Now and forever
The Age of Deadlock has ended

"United We Stand; Divided We Fall"

Abandon all hope...
Ye who stands in the way of Unity;
The Brotherhood of Men.

J. Kalk
the Netherlands

I have posted this last poem as a responce to the poem JMS wrote about
2001 because I wanted to join his fight; and because it got fully ignored by him; I got the message crystal clear that I am not a good writer at all; and since then I gave up writing PERMANTY!!!

Why write; if you can't. Why waste the time...

Oh silly me forgot I

And when you have replaced the Hubble Space Telescope with itÆs successor; you will finally able so see him, the Great Maker in his full glory; hallelujah; amenà

The Great Maker has the ability of space travel; if there will be no replacement of the Hubble Space Telescope because the money drain in IRAC; he will be seen by it the day before it's get's decommisioned.

About oh more than 2000 years ago he has approached our solar-system close enough; so that he could be seen with the naked eye in the nightÆs sky; a bright white starà

jan-willem/vantu/pazuzu = Giordano Bruno

[OmahaStar]

You're not quite all there, are you?

[AaronB]

You're not quite all there, are you?

I reintroduced my self to the ignore list. It's amazing what it can do!

[Citizen Vantu]

Some old postings of my in the Babylon5 newsgroup

17 feb 2001 18:18 Nieuwsgroepen: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Van: The Beholder

Datum: 17 Feb 2001 10:18:36 -0700
Lokaal: za 17 feb 2001 18:18

Onderwerp: ATTN JMS: what do think about Jar Jar Binks...

...since you are obviously a Star Wars fan?

I have seen Star Wars Episode 1 (twice) and I have been
experiencing him as if I am drinking root beer.

Garak (Spitting root beer out): It is vile!
Quark: I know. It is so bubbly and cloy and happy...
Garak: Just like the Federation.
Quark: But do you know what is really frightening?
If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it.
Garak: It is insidious.
Quark: Just like the Federation.
(Star Trek, Deep Space 9)

"Sometimes the one who's clumsy, different or even a little strange just
might be the friend you are looking for"

What I really find vile are the countless amounts of Jar Jar Binks
hate pages on the Internet with the motto, "The only good Gungan is a dead Gungan."

Do you know that they are plying for the extermination of the entire Gungan race?

Londo, "Why don't you eliminate the entire Narn home world while you are at it"
(Revelations)

Hum... We humans never ever do learn from the past, are we?

I live in Holland, The Netherlands.

Delenn, "I think of my beautiful city in flames."
(Rumors, Bargains, and Lies)

During the occupation of The Netherlands by the Germans (1940/45),
the Nazis have deported both of my grandfathers (under suspicion
of either sabotage or having ties with the resistance movement),
one (my father's father) to Konzentrationslager Mauthausen (German)
and the other (my mother's father) to Durchgangslager Westerbork
(Netherlands).

My mother's father survived but he was not the same anymore,
he died at the age of 54.

Sinclair, "Nothings the same anymore"
(Chrysalis)

My father's father died just after the liberation, he was 24 and
my father never got the chance to know him. My parents have
named me after him.

Zathras, "Your the one who was"
(War Without End II)

Bullies have spoiled most of my school going years, because I was
a bubbly, cloy and happy kid; I was not behaving like other boys.

They made me into a coward who is always afraid to displease
his father; just like Jar Jar Binks who was always afraid to displease
Boss Nass the leader of the Gungans.

I am afraid to imagine what could have happened to me if I lived during
1940/45 and somebody had blurted suspicions around about that what I am.

I would have ended up killed or worse, marked with a Pink Triangle
on my chest instead of a Yellow Star...

Even today, I am suffering according the Vatican from a neurological
disorder.

Sometimes I am really despising to be part of "we on this planet (called) Earth", is that not a shame?

Sincerely

J. Kalk

The Beholder is my name
Being The Rooster is my game...

1. The Beholder
16 feb 2001 21:28
Nieuwsgroepen: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated

Van: The Beholder 13:28:15 -0700
Lokaal: vr 16 feb 2001 21:28
Onderwerp: ATTN JMS: The First Wave of The Shadows

Greetings JMS,

We have here on the Dutch television the S.F. serial 'the First Wave'
showing that is based on the prophesies of Nostradamus.

Personally, I find 'The First Wave' a 'X-files' rip-off. There was some gibberish about 'The Twice Blessed Men'

In my opinion one amongst 'The Twice Blessed Men' is in real live, you.

That people are finding comfort, guidance and strength in your words is no coincidence. You are their hero; a true hero, someone who does not need a handgun or superpowers to achieve his goals, but uses the art of writing instead.

What are the 'The Two Blessings of The Twice Blessed Men'?

The first Blessing is IMAGINATION, if that were not the case; you would have remained to be either a journalist or a columnist, instead of being one amongst the great S.F. writers (yes, 'The Twice Blessed Men' are they) we have.

The second Blessing is FORGIVENESS...

IMAGINE you come across an Extra Terrestrial so Alien that it scares you,
if you do not FORGIVE that it is scary, then you going to fear it.

Yoda, "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."

With Babylon 5, you have taught us not to fear The Shadows and to respect
them because of their existence, and for that I am grateful because they
are already here...



However seriously, after seeing all the four Alien movies I have been wondering the following,

If we ever do get a First Contact and an ambassador of an Extra Terrestrial race arrives at The European Space Station (which I would love to nickname Babylon 2), who is a splitting image of H. R. Giger's Alien (a truly magnificent being) and somebody shoots at him because the Alien movies have taught that somebody to hate them...

Perhaps due that incident nineteen million people (or more) will parish.

Sincerely,

J. Kalk

"The Beholder is my name,
being The Rooster is my game..."

[Jan]

Jan-Willem,

Why bring up posts from several years ago? What relevance do they have today? One of them brings up too much personal information-we've talked about that. It's nobody here's business what you or your family has dealt with.

Jan

[Citizen Vantu]

Jan-Willem,

Why bring up posts from several years ago? What relevance do they have today? One of them brings up too much personal information-we've talked about that. It's nobody here's business what you or your family has dealt with.

Jan

Is that really not your business? The evil of the Nazi destuction camps are exactly the same evil that has caused the World Trade Center tragedy in 2001
But that is obviously forgotten by you!

[Jan]

Don't presume to tell anybody what they remember or don't, Jan-Willem. Your tendency to act as though you can speak for anybody else is disturbing whether it's supposed to be for god/the great maker or for me.

Jan

[Citizen Vantu]

Don't presume to tell anybody what they remember or don't, Jan-Willem.à

Then tell me what you remember, tell me what has you made you angry.

Your tendency to act as though you can speak for anybody else is disturbing whether it's supposed to be for god/the great maker or for me.

Please tell my why it is disturbing to you; discuss with me; show me the error
of my reasoning; my thinking.

Also I am trying to return you a favour; you have started The Rampant,
Irresponsible Religion Thread to annoy some catholic people in no end and I
have started Imagine, The Great Maker... to annoy some athiests and as a bonus some religeus people in return.

Or should I stop and talk about how the weather in Holland is; oh it is snowing
outside and it is cold and gosh why hasn't snowed a week sooner; I would
love to have had a white christmass; oh I sleep so fine at night; I have so
nice dream about fluffy bunny rabbits making even more fluffy bunny rabbits
making even more fluffy bunny rabbits until there are no more room for no
more fluffy bunny rabbits for making more fluffy bunny rabbits.

Or should I stop and say nothing anymore; like I have been doing for many
years only complaing how a pathetic loser I am; how depressed I am and how
I hate my work; that I am alone without any friends; and that mine life
is absolutly meaningless; that I am worthless and my opinion doesn't matter
either; that I am a nobody, a idiot, a fool... and that I am better of non
existent or that all my emotions are smothered with medication that I no
longer have the ability to feel anything else than despair and dismay.

[Jan]

Then tell me what you remember, tell me what has you made you angry.

I'm not angry.

Please tell my why it is disturbing to you; discuss with me; show me the error of my reasoning; my thinking.

It's quite simple-you cannot know for sure anything that another person or being thinks.

Also I am trying to return you a favour; you have started The Rampant, Irresponsible Religion Thread to annoy some catholic people in no end and I have started Imagine, The Great Maker... to annoy some athiests and as a bonus some religeus people in return.

You're wrong. I didnt' start the thread to annoy anybody. I started the thread to start conversation. We've had many a conversation here with many points of view. The idea is to talk and communicate but never to presume to know what another person thinks or feels. We avoid as many labels as we can so that we have to refer things such as "I don't agree with people who believe (whatever)" rather than "I hate (label)"

Or should I stop and say nothing anymore; like I have been doing for many
years only complaing how a pathetic loser I am; how depressed I am and how
I hate my work; that I am alone without any friends; and that mine life
is absolutly meaningless; that I am worthless and my opinion doesn't matter
either; that I am a nobody, a idiot, a fool... and that I am better of non
existent or that all my emotions are smothered with medication that I no
longer have the ability to feel anything else than despair and dismay.

Not at all. But maybe you're jumping in too deep too soon. Take some time to read the posts here. See how things work. Talk about Babylon 5 in terms of what you like or don't like but don't assume that what's in the show is what JMS thinks or doesn't think. He's a writer, he writes what's needed for the story regardless of his own beliefs.

Jan

[Harrdy]

The evil of the Nazi destuction camps are exactly the same evil that has caused the World Trade Center tragedy in 2001

IMHO the evil is the thought that you - as a nazi, a terrorist, etc. - *know the truth*, and therefore everybody else doesn't. That is the first stepping stone, the second is that you regard those "not knowing" as "lower beings". Everybody sees a segment of reality, and only all segments together can begin to see the wonder of the world. Everybody who thinks he alone and by himself can describe the world is dangerous, on the brink to insanity. One can build a world inside his mind, but that world is not Reality...

PeAcE

[Towelmaster]

Hello Jan Willem,

As a fellow forummer I can assure you that no one(!) will read your postings. They are way too long and way too vague. Just so you won't be disappointed when nobody reacts to your entries. It is much better to keep it brief and to the point.

Not that I'm telling you how to post of course, that is between you and the forum-organizers.

Maar het werkt voor geen meter. Dat kan ik je verzekeren.

Regards,

TM.

[Citizen Vantu]

Hello Jan Willem,

As a fellow forummer I can assure you that no one(!) will read your postings. They are way too long and way too vague. Just so you won't be disappointed when nobody reacts to your entries. It is much better to keep it brief and to the point.

Ha Ha Ha Ha; you really have made my day; nobody reads my postings; I would have believed you if this topic weren't red hot 374 views already and I
managed to annoy a couple of moderaters to no end. And that is terrific giving them something to be angry about.

Not that I'm telling you how to post of course, that is between you and the forum-organizers.

Please keep it that way; stay out or join the discussion...

Maar het werkt voor geen meter. Dat kan ik je verzekeren.

But it does work; it works perfectly fine for me and for some people as well.

And sorry; even I am Dutch too I am not planning to talk Dutch at all; I am
always using Double Dutch in my English; because they a ment to be understand by Vorlons; because we are their ancestors; their first ones...

People were talking about the Bible as being fiction; but I am not sure anymore; the only thing I believe to be true that about 2005 years ago there were with a naked eye a bright white star so see in the night sky; and it has been seen and documented in scriptures and drawings by countless of people.

Giordano Bruno