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  • Dr Maturin
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    Those Borg novels that we were discussing in the previous few posts? Total disaster.

    Well, for one, Picard and Beverly Crusher are now married. This took place after an incident where Beverly was captured and rescued by Picard (in a previous relaunch novel). They realize their love for each other and all that.

    Worf is now first officer of the E.

    There have been several books with the Borg leading up to the big trilogy that I mentioned above. In one by Peter David, Janeway dies after being transformed into a Borg queen, which I alluded to before.

    In the Destiny trilogy, the Borg attack...again. This time, they come in force, with thousands of cubes. They aren't using transwarp or any other recognizable form of travel. The Enterprise discovers some hidden subspace passages. In another time period, the story is told of the lost USS Columbia from the Enterprise (NX-01) era. They were forced to stay on a planet by an isolationist species. All but the captain died, and when she was about to die one of the aliens saved her by injecting her with some of the material that they were made from. Back in Picard's time, the Borg are killing BILLIONS of people. Riker's USS Titan finds a planet covered by a Dyson Sphere-like shield. When they send a shuttle in, we find that it's the same people who forced the Columbia crew to stay. Back in the Columbia's time, the captain lives long past the human life expectancy due to the aforementioned intervention on the alien's part. She is still alive when the Titan crew enter the aliens' new home. The Enterprise and other ships blindly jump into the subspace tunnels, searching for the one that leads to the Borg's staging area. Billions more die, and Federation, Klingon and Romulan forces are cut in half, along with their civilizations. Finally, it is discovered that the material that saved the Columbia captain are actually what turned out to be Borg nanoprobes. Realizing what has happened, the aliens restore the probes to their own version of the Collective and all Borg probes are turned to space dust. The Borg are gone. No more.

    I know that's a pretty big deus ex machina, but from all accounts the story is good. And the fallout is huge. One novel has already come out dealing with it. I mean, we're talking about 50% of the Big Three's populations gone.

    With all that being said, I myself think it is a contrived piece of work that denies the reality of war. The author has gone on record as saying that he wanted to do a non-violent solution story. What they did in Voyager in the series finale made things worse with the Borg, according to this take on things.

    In other news, Sons of Anarchy debuted in the UK yesterday on Bravo. Everyone should check it out. Think Hamlet set in modern day northern California and starring a motorcycle gang.

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  • Dr Maturin
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    Well, pick up Gary Seven the next time you're at the shop. I forget the actual name of the title. You know they had planned on a TV series back in the day, right?

    As for the new novels...no, they get goofy, too. Oddly enough, David himself wrote a recent Borg one where one of the major characters is killed off. Reviews for that book were bad, and probably not solely for the death of whom some see as a beloved character (Marney would be angry).
    Last edited by Dr Maturin; 08-17-2008, 08:46 PM.

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  • Karachi Vyce
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    Originally posted by LessonInMachismo View Post
    The worst part is that David's work is usually quality. You read comics, so you must have read some of his work. New Frontier has a lot of different stuff going for it, but he chose to go the mirror route. Well, to be fair, they may have made him go in that direction. It seems that IDW has an obsession with the mirror universe. They are going to oversaturate the market with ST comics, too. I think they even have a Gary Seven series (from the TOS episode "Assignment: Earth").

    But you're right, especially in regards to the Borg. And in the new semi-canon novels they're bringing the fuckers back.
    I wouldn't mind a Gary Seven series, actually, since outside of the odd paperback novel here or there, they haven't really done much with the character beyond TOS.

    I'm wary of them bringing back the Borg, but perhaps if it's in the novels, there's less chance of the usual gang of idiots getting involved to make everything even more retarded. Kind of like how the Expanded Universe stuff is the only place where you'll find Star Wars stories of quality.

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  • Doom Shepherd
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    Overheard online:

    "I don't know, I've only heard some secondhand rumors about it. Maybe we should, you know, actually SEE it before tearing it apart."

    "WHAT???!!?? How DARE you, sir! This is the INTERNET! The internet exists for two reasons, and two reasons alone! Porn, and dissing things you've never experienced!

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  • Dr Maturin
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    The worst part is that David's work is usually quality. You read comics, so you must have read some of his work. New Frontier has a lot of different stuff going for it, but he chose to go the mirror route. Well, to be fair, they may have made him go in that direction. It seems that IDW has an obsession with the mirror universe. They are going to oversaturate the market with ST comics, too. I think they even have a Gary Seven series (from the TOS episode "Assignment: Earth").

    But you're right, especially in regards to the Borg. And in the new semi-canon novels they're bringing the fuckers back.

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  • Karachi Vyce
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    Originally posted by LessonInMachismo View Post
    Peter David really let me down. I picked up the first few issues of his ST: New Frontier comic. He drooped a (stink) bomb on us in the third issue when he revealed that it was a mirror universe story. Let it die already, people. One of the few bad things that DS9 did was kill the mirror universe.
    If the Star Trek franchise (at least under the current creative crew) is good for one thing, it's taking the cool aspects of the franchise and just COMPLETELY running them into the ground.

    See "Q", see "The Borg", etc.

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  • Dr Maturin
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    Peter David really let me down. I picked up the first few issues of his ST: New Frontier comic. He drooped a (stink) bomb on us in the third issue when he revealed that it was a mirror universe story. Let it die already, people. One of the few bad things that DS9 did was kill the mirror universe.

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  • Karachi Vyce
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    Tea really is vile stuff. I can't drink even the flavored tea. Hell, I even hate iced tea.

    But not Ice-T, he's great.

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  • Dr Maturin
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    I drink a lot of green tea. Not at work, though.

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  • I love Lyta
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    "I don't know how people who drink coffee live. horrid vile stuff"

    I don't know how people who drink tea live. Even the smell takes me close to throwing up.

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  • Radhil
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    Horrid vile stuff if made by someone in desperate need of coffee.

    Lot like beer, actually.

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  • Lunan
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    i don't know how people who drink coffee live. horrid vile stuff

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  • Karachi Vyce
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    You drink too much of it.

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  • Dr Maturin
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    I don't think I could live without coffee.

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  • Dustin_S
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    I want the 300ZX Twin Turbo back....

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