Star Wars

[rallytbk]

Oops, I meant to post this on SAaB thread, But it does apply here too. LOL

Sorry.

[DGTWoodward]

All I could think about at the pivotal point in the movie that turned Anakin to the dark side. What the Hell was that? No rage scene, no flash backs to his mom and/or his greatest fears. Nothing! He just took the better deal.

Now it may just be me....but I felt that the moment actually occured when Palatine lies to him about having killed his wife. We know he hasn't, but he doesn't know, and this final burst of rage is what finally pushes him over the edge...as can be judged by Palpatine's final triumphant smile. It would seem to fit that the final surge of rage is one directed totally at himself and it dovetails nicely into Vader, later on, seeing the hope of turning away from this darkness inside himself and back to right side, through his son Luke, the last true Jedi of the old order of things.

[Laiden]

I felt the whole situation took time. time in which they did not have, but it felt to me as if it was a "deal with the devil" sort of thing . . .

[rallytbk]

Now it may just be me.... but I felt that the moment actually occurred when Palatine lies to him about having killed his wife...

I guess what I was looking for was AnakinÆs the final nail/the last straw kind of thing that turned Anakin to the dark side, something like: Padme would die, then in anger Anakin would turn to the dark side and curses the galaxy for (fill in blank reason to be evil) failing him.

Babylon 5: LondoÆs rage scene was a wonderful example of how a person loyal to his worldÆs security (and pride) got caught up in the Shadow War, wanted to get out and pulled back in, because of circumstances designed by another person, namely Mr. Morden. This sequence of events is classic of the cause and effects people go through when either becoming evil or life altering changes.

Just my 2 cents.

I was just disappointed with AnakinÆs turn to the dark side. JMS spoiled me in this regard.

[Laiden]

The problem with Londo, was that he never intended to be "Evil" nor did he become it through any fault of his own, he didnt "turn", he was another "victim of mathematics" it wasn't his choice for most of the things that happened to occur, and everything else that had happened, did so without him realizing it was his fault. every action he took to end his relationship with Mr. Morden and the shadows was led with another action to bring him back.

When he became a snotty and what would seem "bitter" or "mad" Emperor, he had to, in order to save his world. G'Kar saw that something was up and understood his situation. so Londo was never evil, just a victim.

"You don't have to respond in kind."
"Of course we do. There's a natural law. Physics tells us that for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction. They hate us, we hate them, they hate us back. And so, here we are: victims of mathematics."
~Sinclair and Londo in Babylon 5:"A Voice in the Wilderness #1"