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  • Jan
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    Been a while since JMS engaged with somebody like this. I hadn't even noticed that JMS was posting from his personal account until it was mentioned that I might have been fooled by a fake JMS. However, it *is* his personal account that JMS was posting from, not a counterfeit or fake account.

    For a fair amount of back-and-forth, this thread is interesting.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...tal_comments=7

    The thread where my name came into it is where Triple-F started a new thread to ask what others thought. https://www.facebook.com/B5Scrolls/p...27329504022114

    ETA: Apparently Tom Smith / Triple F / B5 Scrolls didn't appreciate my chewing him out for speculating about my personal finances when he connected me monetarily with making money from other's art because he seems to have blocked/banned me. For the moment, I don't plan to return the favor here.

    Jan
    Last edited by Jan; 10-07-2013, 08:30 PM.

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  • Jan
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    And turning now to Twitter, found this little gem in response to somebody suggesting that Rising Stars be turned into a TV show:

    JMichael Straczynski‏@straczynski
    @______ May be some RS news in the near future.

    5:06 AM - 6 Oct 13
    https://twitter.com/straczynski/stat...64311353253888

    Jan

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  • Jan
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    In this post, JMS responds to a post about the effects people constantly trying to slip Elvis references into shots (?? ):

    Originally posted by J. MIchael Straczynski
    It should be pointed out that the Elvis references being slipped into our shots were done AFTER we asked them to STOP being done, because it was juvenile and had no place in the show. It destroyed the reality of the moments we were trying to create. So when an executive producer and the production company instruct individuals to stop doing this, and they keep doing it...what does that tell us about the maturity of those involved? It was a constant and completely unnecessary source of strain between the companies, and in some ways that attitude contributed to creating an atmosphere that NDI could exploit as a reason to change houses. It wasn't the only reason they offered -- and some of the others it turned out were less than factual -- but having a company that would do what we told them to did become a factor by then. Something to bear in mind.
    Jan

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  • Jan
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    And again, JMS quotes what he's replying to from this post. Triple-F has posted a number of times, trying to get fans to show support for an 'Art of Babylon 5 book'.

    Originally posted by J. MIchael Straczynski
    “Joe has to approve any B5 licensed publication. He would never I mean NEVER let me publish anything B5.”

    Y'know, I write about telepaths sometimes but I never claim to BE one.

    Ron has never ASKED to do a B5 book. Not at any point. If he did, and he had a publisher, I wouldn't stand in his way. I'd be involved in the process same as any other book, but to say I wouldn't allow it is simply foolish.

    Honestly, the more I read these threads, the more apparent it is that you guys have serious issues that often -- not always, but often -- have nothing to do with reality.
    Jan

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  • Jan
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    Next, in this post JMS quotes what he's replying to:

    J. MIchael Straczynski "...the B5 producers who now owned the FX." I never owned the FX. Those were all properties of Warner Bros. And BTW, attempts to keep those files from the studio, which owned the assets, would have been breach of contract.

    As to the quote above from Copeland...sorry, folks, but that's the reality of every shot, every script, every performance. You do it the best you can but at some point you have to let it go. Art is never finished, only abandoned. That some animators might "grumble" about it is not salutary to them. It's childishness. Should a shot not come in in time for broadcast because the animator is still twiddling with it? So we should scuttle the whole episode? Nonsense. I have script deadlines; directors have deadlines for cuts; music editors have to deliver their files in time for the audio mix; and animators have to deliver their shots in time for broadcast. Is it perfect? No. Nothing is. Perfect doesn't exist. There's not a single episode of B5 where I wouldn't want to go back and tweak a line of dialogue or an edit here and there.

    It's the reaction to the quote that is telling, not the quote itself. It shows a serious lack of maturity on the part of those involved...as it does the person who recites it here thinking somehow that it constitutes an indictment.
    Jan

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  • Jan
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    JMS replied to a couple of things in this thread:

    A poster named Aris asked if JMS didn't simply write 'space battle' in his scripts without any description and then the effects crew stepped in and created them. Daniel Taylor (from the effects people?) confirmed that.

    Originally posted by J. MIchael Straczynski
    Show me those scripts. I've never seen them or written them. In some scenes, after setting the stage and the logistics, I would say we would need a Ron Thornton special, but never just wrote "space battle." Sorry. If you want to back up your story, since you must have seen this to quote it, please, do so. Otherwise back off this shit.
    JMS quotes the part he's replying to in this one:

    Originally posted by J. MIchael Straczynski
    "In case you haven’t guessed it yet, one of the things that come out of the interviews on B5Scrolls was that Joe Straczynski was far from being the only person who had creative input into most aspects of Babylon 5. It was a very collaborative process involving dozens of artists."

    And I've never said anything to the contrary. I've gone to considerable length, at every possible opportunity, to express my appreciation for the crew and efx guys, which I manifested by giving them as much creative room to play as possible.

    What I will say for my part is this: it doesn't make any difference how good your EFX team is IF THE SHOWRUNNER DOESN'T LET THEM DO THEIR JOB. You need someone at the helm who gets it, and encourages them to be as creative as possible. I don't care how good the Starfury designs are, if I'm the showrunner and I want something that looks like it came out of Fireball XL5, that's what you're going to spend the season making. Which is why a lot of SF shows suck and suffer from a lack of ingenuity.

    I honestly don't know what your problem is, but you guys seriously need to get over your case of the bitters. You don't prop yourself up by trying to step on the other guy's throat. It's unseemly and unprofessional and most of all it's inherently false. As Copeland said, and as all of us have said from the git-go, this was a partnership and a collaboration between all of the departments. The CGI wouldn't register as well as it does without the sound effects; the sound needs music to create the emotional moments...the cast needs to perform and the scripts need to make sense. It's all or nothing, and this kind of bitching-and-moaning after the fact, that somehow of those elements *you* didn't get your due when we all participated, and none of us probably got what we should have gotten, and all of us participated in every facet of this show. You need to get over your case of the bitters.
    Jan
    Last edited by Jan; 10-06-2013, 04:27 AM.

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  • Jan
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    Most folks here are probably aware of the B5 Scrolls site which has some wonderful interviews with a lot of the behind-the-scenes folks. It's no secret that Triple-F and I have exchanged views over what I consider an unfortunate tone to many of his interview questions or posts but until now, JMS has remained silent as far as I've been aware. Until tonight, that is, when he corrected some bad information that was out there and comments on some of the quotes. In some cases it looks like JMS is unearthing really old thread (and he may be) but there's also an oddness about the way things show up on the B5 Scrolls Facebook page where posts don't always show up under current dates (at least I've had trouble finding some things when I've gone looking after the fact).

    In response to this particular paragraph in this post:

    Originally posted by B5 Scrolls
    Lets put it this way. Once Warner Brothers and Babylonian Productions - owned by Rattlesnake (Doug Netter) and Synthetic Worlds (J. Michael Straczynski) - took their cuts via various accounting methods, the artists who designed things like the Starfury, Omega and Shadow vessels NEVER made a penny on all that merchandising that was created. Still don’t, but that’s sadly not that unusual.
    Originally posted by J. MIchael Straczynski
    Y'know, if you're going to take a shot at somebody, you should a) do it to their face and b) be accurate. This was neither.

    You talk about the producers (meaning me) taking their "cut" of merchandising, and about owning a production company. Babylonian Productions was what's called a pass-through company; it exists only to receive the budget from the studio, and use those funds to pay for production costs. At the end of the shoot, the company is folded up or transferred back to the studio. It's not like owning DreamWorks. It was a tube through which money funneled to the cast and crew, and when the show was done, the company was done. Total assets we own of that: zero, effective as soon as the shows (B5 and Crusade) were done.

    To the matter of merchandising, I don't know what figures you've made up in your own mind about that, but I can pretty much guarantee you that they do not touch reality at any two contiguous points. By contract, I had a very small piece of merchandising which WB got to determine...meaning very close to zero. The only direct merchandising that Foundation *could* have gotten would have been the model ships, and I think my total check on that merchandise came to about a couple hundred dollars. Literally. Leaving aside their fun little computations...show me the merchandising that made millions. Hell, show me the merchandising related to Foundation that made maybe a hundred grand.

    Except for my writer's guild residuals on the episodes themselves, which don't exist while the show is off the air in the US (international is nearly nothing), I've never received a dime in royalties or profits on the show to this date. I'm happy to share with anyone who wants to see it the next royalty statement that comes in from WB. According to the last one, we are still (by their accounting) about 15M in the red. Nor have I ever received anything beyond WGA residuals on the DVDs.

    Did the show make money? Hell yes. Where did it go? To the studio. So ifi you're going to start taking shots at me, you'd damn well better get your facts straight before doing so. What resentments you may have toward Doug -- and some of them are well-founded, something I did not know at the time but discovered later -- do not give you the right to simply make shit up because you're pissed off.
    By now pretty much everybody knows that if you want to discuss any/all of these, please take the discussion to a new thread. Thanks.

    Jan
    (splitting these into separate posts because vBulletin keeps losing big chunks of posts. DougO's looking into it.)
    Last edited by Jan; 10-06-2013, 04:42 AM.

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  • Jan
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    Sounds like Buddy may have gotten his revenge?

    Originally posted by JMichael Straczynski
    ‏@straczynski 7h
    Life Rule #27. Never lean nude over a cat unless you have resolved in your own mind what the cat might consider a threat.
    Jan

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  • Jan
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    JMS is an evil man! I do like that!

    Originally posted by JMichael Straczynski
    ‏@straczynski 2h
    There are few things in life as inherently funny as a cat sleeping on a cell phone when a call suddenly comes in. #clawsburiedintheceiling
    Originally posted by JMichael Straczynski
    ‏@straczynski 2h
    Parenthetically, I was the one who placed the call from my land line. This is known in humor parlance as a bank shot.
    Originally posted by JMichael Straczynski
    ‏@straczynski 1h
    It also helps, and adds considerably to the visuals, if you have selected this as your ringtone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsTRxXvQY0s
    Originally posted by JMichael Straczynski
    ‏@straczynski 1h
    @_____ Alas, no. Had the cell phone been recording, it would only have recorded fur, a blur, and a 6'x9' crater.
    Somebody asked if Buddy really jumped that high -> #clawsburiedintheceiling

    Originally posted by JMichael Straczynski
    ‏@straczynski
    @____ Kitty go BOOM!
    Jan

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  • Jan
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    From Twitter:

    Originally posted by JMichael Straczynski
    ‏@straczynski 2h
    Actually woke myself up this morning laughing at something a character said in a dream...a pissed-off, older mob guy in a retirement home...
    Originally posted by JMichael Straczynski
    ‏@straczynski 2h
    ..."I'm just glad I'm wearing a robe so when I shit myself with happiness I won't make a mess I'll have to live with afterward."
    Can't wait to see if this ends up written in something in the future!

    Jan

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  • Ubik
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    As an addendum to my previous post, something just struck me, and itÆs so simple that it hadnÆt occurred to me until now.

    If JMS getting the TV rights back to B5 is off the table, then the only way he has of ever doing something B5 related again would be to bolster raise the profile of the show to such a level that WB have an interest again. Hence the tweets and FB rallying of the fans. I may be stating the obvious here, but it does make a LOT of sense.

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by JoeD80 View Post
    He also mentioned on twitter that the rights would cost more than kickstarter had ever raised before...
    IÆd be really curious to know what the cost would be. Even just a ballpark figure. IÆm betting it would be fairly astronomical. I suppose itÆs not really in WBÆs interest to relinquish the TV rights, unless as Looney pointed out in the #FreeBabylon5 thread, it really had completely disappeared into obscurity and ceased to make them any money.

    The drive to get B5 back on TV would could renew interest, and would make WB more aware the show STILL has a big audience. You would have thought the DVD sales would have made that much clear to them!

    The sad things is that I honestly think the time for new B5 has passed, unless it were something completely fresh and new. I think we often crave new content to keep the fires burning, and because we are so invested in what already exists. I sometimes think IÆm in the minority when I say IÆd rather see new material from JMS, which is why IÆm so stoked for Sense8.

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  • JoeD80
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    He also mentioned on twitter that the rights would cost more than kickstarter had ever raised before...

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  • Jan
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    A fan posted and asked JMS why it looked like there was not chance of JMS getting the rights to B5 (as he'd mentioned being in negotiations for):

    Originally posted by Fans of J. Michael Straczynski
    We've been negotiating and trying to make this happen for over two years. Went from a promising start to bogging down and I don't think it'll happen at this stage.
    Jan

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  • Jan
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    From Twitter:

    Originally posted by JMichael Straczynski
    Enough with memes proclaiming "you are awesome" just because you got up that day and are sucking down air. DO something to EARN it.
    https://twitter.com/straczynski/stat...58320934920192

    Jan

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