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  • #16
    Originally posted by Vir
    I thought I remembered him from something called 'Midnight Caller' where he hosted a late night 'phone in' radio show. It was kind of action based.
    Yes!! yes!!! thats it whoowhooo...oh my the memories
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    • #17
      I recently rewatched all of Crusade, and I think your comments about lacking story-elements are unjustified.

      Episodes like "Racing the Night", "The Path of Sorrows" and "Each Night I Dream of Home" are quite easily fine episodes, and pretty on-par with Babylon 5 Season 1. Seeing back to the Cerberus, being destroyed by what was never explained, but quite obviously a Shadow-Human hybrid was "exciting", aswell as the clips from the telepath wars. Each Night I Dream of Home was very tense, and it felt a bit like Crusades own "Signs and Portents", the turning point of Season 1 for B5.
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      • #18
        What I don't like about Crusade?

        That it was too short!!!

        (OK, yes, some episodes were mediocre, but none I wouldn't watch again)
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        • #19
          Hi,

          I just wanted to drop this information in the Crusade topic here.

          DDC Admin from the isnnews.net message board here.

          Despite what some fans keep printing by mistake, Crusade was not a failed series and Crusade was not cancelled for low ratings. Crusade was dead months before the first episode was broadcast, thanks to a major falling out between JMS and TNT Atlanta execs who continued to meddle with the scripts.

          Posts related to that can be found in the JMS Posts archive here and I made an archive topic over at isnnews.net in our Crusade forum. Anyway,

          Instead of 22 episodes there were only 13 COMPLETED episodes. The various continuity errors and all that were a result of the remaining episodes not being there to fill in the spaces. Other problems can be attributed to TNT Atlanta's interference. The original first episodes of Racing The Night etc. were done before the good ole boys at TNT Atlanta starting interfering. It should be noted that TNT West Coast had always been good to JMS. Several now unavailable unproduced scripts showed the direction of where the show was going- it was NOT about finding a cure for the plague.

          The 13 episodes were not really a series. It was just a collection of what episodes existed after production was stopped permanently. If TNT Atlanta had had it's way, even those 13 would never have seen the light of day because of the animosity between JMS and TNT Atlanta.

          Crusade was like releasing a novel with missing chapters or a rough draft by a dead author who never got the chance to finish his book. People go "that wasn't very good was it".

          If the Rangers movie had produced a series, JMS has stated that at some point the timelines of Crusade and Rangers would have become concurrent. Rangers had weak spots but Joe DeMartino has mentioned a few facts in another thread that I had forgotten about. It's all about co-ownership and budgets, as usual.

          It would be interesting to see what JMS could produce if he had a budget like the Star Trek shows.

          Oh well. At least something new is about to happen in the B5 universe.

          ( and I hate these timeouts while I'm trying to post a long message. )

          See ya.
          Last edited by DDC2004; 01-15-2004, 04:02 PM.

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          • #20
            It is really sad that such a great show like Crusade got cancelled!

            If you compare the first 13 episodes of "Babylon 5" and "Crusade" then "Crusade" is at least as good as "Babylon 5". Without the later episodes B5 would not be that interesting. I loved the Excalibur, Lochley, Eilerson and Gideon. It could have been another epic story in the B5 Universe with interesting depth characters and much action and drama.

            I hope we will get a Bs movie in the next years cause the TV-series doesn't look that great of todays perspective and it would add a much more realistiv perspective of this masterpiece.

            By the way: I also loved the post production efext on the Drakh.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ranger1
              are you stupid enough not to notice that the first Crusade that i wrote was fine? so i type fast and English is not my native language..lets see you try to type in Hebrew and then we will talk


              אני יכול להדפיס עברית אבל זה לא כל כך טוב.

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              • #22
                I understand JMS' Frustration with TNT and understand why some of the episodes were the way they are. I personally Loved the Story, Loved the Sets and Loved the Acting . . . I wish the show did get a chance to shine and showed us another great 5 years.

                If I remember Correctly from the Crusade DVDs, The later episodes With the Black Uniforms (Racing the Night) were the ones without TNT interference. if you notice Dureena's Forehead piece was covered up then in earlier episodes smoothed over and it shows up later on because TNT thought the forehead design originally was "too menacing" or something. JMS said in the DVD commentary (I am trying to remember, dont know if its 100%) that he didnt like the Grey uniforms and it was TNT who said they needed them and he wrote in there that the reason they went from having them to going back to the black ones was that they got "Ruined in the laundry"
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                • #23
                  The black uniforms were the ones most meddled with by TNT, then TNT insisted on Racing the Night being made with the new uniforms causing those episodes to be shown first.

                  I'm not sure I remember what JMS said about liking/not liking the grey uniforms but he did ensure that there'd be a horrible accident in the laundry with them so that he could explain more black uniform episodes.

                  What a cluster-fsock!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by therichieboy
                    אני יכול להדפיס עברית אבל זה לא כל כך טוב.
                    LOL, showoff, well thats kinda old post of mine, as you can see from the date which it was posted

                    מאיפה אתה? שלח בפרטי, לא יפה לדבר בעברית כאן חחחחחח

                    Oh and btw, since this is a very old post (damn! 2 years whoohaa), i must say that i still don't like Crusade.

                    I got the DVD box set from a friend of mine (i didn't want to buy it), and it was the same as i remembered.... boring!!! oh so very boring!!! the sets still looks so fake, the CGI looks worse then B5 CG work (and needless to remind you all that Babylon 5 is older than Crusade).

                    Could it be better if it was given a chance to complete? probably, but it didn't, so... there. (Sorry all, i would cut my right arm off for B5, but Crusade, as it was presented is a no no for me).
                    Last edited by Ranger1; 12-19-2005, 01:36 PM.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Jan
                      I'm not sure I remember what JMS said about liking/not liking the grey uniforms but he did ensure that there'd be a horrible accident in the laundry with them so that he could explain more black uniform episodes.
                      Well, one point of dislike about the grey uniforms jms (it seems to me) voiced through Gideon in the show itself (I think it was Gideon who said it): they look like bellhop uniforms.

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                      • #26
                        That's true. But as I recall, when a photo appeared in TV guide with them, there were a few negative posts about them and JMS defended them. Still, it could be that somebody at TNT had loved them and he was being a good 'company man'.

                        Jan
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                        • #27
                          I personally like the black a good deal as they're more active and feel more useful than ornate.

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                          • #28
                            Crusade had it's problems, but JMS apologists will never admit it. That said, at the very least I liked the show simply because it featured Gary Cole.
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                            • #29
                              Crusade had it's problems, but JMS apologists will never admit it.
                              Everything has it's problems, including Babylon 5 itself, because nothing in existance is perfect. Just because something has flaws doesn't mean that it can be beloved. Additionally, just because one person sees something as being a flaw doesn't mean that everyone will view it as being a flaw.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
                                Crusade had it's problems, but JMS apologists will never admit it.
                                Never say never, ZD. Much as I liked Crusade, the 'black uniform' episodes always seemed...well, 'watered down' is the best description I can come up with.

                                Unlike practically everybody, though, I have the evidence to show what those episodes were *supposed* to be and they're quite different from what showed up on the screen. Even 'War Zone' started out much stronger than it ended up being, and that's the episode JMS didn't even want to write!

                                One of these days when I've got time I'm going to go through the different drafts and list some of the changes made. I may not have the notes themselves from TNT but there are a lot more drafts to the 'black uniform' episodes than is usual for JMS.

                                Jan
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