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  • hishamT
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    Regardless of what is said about S5 the following were my favorates in that seaason

    1. View from the gallary
    2. Long night of Londo Molari
    3. Day of the dead

    And also the episods about the fall of centuri prime.

    Even the Tragedy of a telepath was not that bad

    regards

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  • Jump Now
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    I know what Aaron means - that B5 also took a little while to maybe find its feet, or/and the real story took at least that long to really kick in - and I think he's right. But I also have to say that - maybe because we'd already had 5 years of the best programme ever made, and I trusted JMS to do something "special" every time - I loved Crusade from the beginning.

    So it was messed about, especially in the 1st aired episode... but I adored it. And when I heard, several episodes into the run, that it was already gone, it was awful. To me, it's the greatest loss TV has suffered. And I feel confident saying that, as soon as I consider that we only got approx. one tenth of the story (and the writing, and the characters, and the actors...), and so much potential lost. I mean, I'm a huge Doctor Who fan too - but I'd easily swap the upcoming revival of that show for Crusade to come back. To be honest, there's 26 years of TV 'Who (plus endless audios, books etc. which are still continuing), whereas Crusade barely got out of the starting block.

    And season 5 of B5..? Well, there is always that nagging thing: It would have been fantastic if the 5 year plan had gone smoothly, and we'd had a few more episodes of the shadow war, a bit of a break (with stand-alones?) and a season which finished with "Intersections" as originally planned. It does feel a bit like the story has to restart again, with the beginning of the last season. But having said that, I agree with Aaron's sense that this then allowed room for some nice character / experimental stuff before the main story took over again. And in a way, it actually adds realism to the whole 5 year arc. Real life isn't paced sensibly. It's actually quite good that you get the conclusion to 2 wars in 1 year, then a gap where nothing like as big as those events happens for about 9 months in the B5 universe. It sort of makes the whole thing even more "real".

    Besides, whatever disappointment there was at the time was tempered by the fact that JMS came up with "Deconstruction" as a way to close off season 4. For a start, a great episode - but bloody bloody clever too. I would never have come up with that in a million years. And after seeing that, and having previously been a bit miffed that outside forces had screwed with the 5 year plan, I knew everything would still be good in the upcoming season. And was just glad to be getting it at all, to be honest.

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  • Aaron
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    I know I'm coming into this thread late, but I too feel the need the
    defend S5 and Crusade.

    When S5 originally ran, I was disappointed alittle bit. While I
    liked the episodes that played with perspective, it felt like some of
    the air had left the story--at least until Sleeping in Light. Except
    for SiL, I did not see it again until I bought the DVDs (I kept SiL
    on tape and pulled it out every now and then).

    Now that I'm a few years older and my entertainment tastes are more
    seasoned, I appreciate it alot more. It is probably the most mature
    season of B5. I like it for the play on perspective to the sober tone
    of the last third of the season. Even the telepath story serves a
    purpose. I still bawl every time I see SiL. Still, it would have
    been nice if the last two seasons would have played out as they were
    meant to. S4 felt very rushed.

    As far as Crusade, well, anyone who was head-over-heels in love with
    Babylon 5 after the first 13 episodes raise their hand.

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  • Ranger1
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    Originally posted by tvih
    Now that's contradictory. How can you not want to miss S5 and still want B5 to end with S4?
    The same way as i found LotR to be a sucky movie,but i would never even thought about not seeing it,and not beeing a part of the B5 universe.

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  • KoshN
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    Originally posted by tvih
    In my opinion S5 ends B5 better than stopping with S4+SiL ever would have
    True, plus I wouldn't want to miss out on that Centauri arc, Lyta toying with that assassin, or the episode that showed the station changing hands (going to the 2nd crew (Lochley, Vir, Ta'Lon, Dr. Hobbes, etc.) and the salute as Sheridan and Delenn were leaving. There was some great stuff in Season 5.

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    Now that's contradictory. How can you not want to miss S5 and still want B5 to end with S4? I mean, if B5 ended with S4+SiL, there'd be no S5. Yet you want S5? Make up your mind
    In my opinion S5 ends B5 better than stopping with S4+SiL ever would have
    Last edited by tvih; 01-27-2005, 05:04 PM.

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  • Ranger1
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    Same here don't get me wrong,i wouldnt want to miss S5 as well,but IMO B5 should have ended with S4 with SiL as its final episode,that would have made it just perfect!!

    I still love season 5,that doesn't mean in any way that i put S5 in the garbage.

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    Even with SiL as the last episode, I think a lot of things would've been "missing". Too much would've been "left in the dark".
    And Deconstruction of Falling Stars was an interesting episode on its own, wouldn't want to have missed that one either.

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  • Ranger1
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    Originally posted by hishamT
    My opinion here is that if we did not have season 5 then season four would have been the wrost ending ever for a great series.
    Not exactly,SiL was supposed to be the final episode for Season 4 (it was shot during season 4),but JMS got the call that they will go for season 5,so he had to make a different last episode for S4 and thus gave it The Deconstruction of Falling Stars.

    IMHO B5 should have ended with season 4 (with SiL as its last episode)...but still,i think season 5 was great on its own.

    Just a side note:
    Those who were watching the entire show as it was aired on TV were so used to S3 and S4 action pack story..from episode to episode getting bigger and bigger until the Shadows War exploded and the Battle for Earth was concluded,so when S5 stared it was slow....and kept on being slow (comparing to the previous two seasons).

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  • hishamT
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    I do not understand why every one is comparing season 5 to the other seasons. My opinion here is that if we did not have season 5 then season four would have been the wrost ending ever for a great series.

    I believe the season 5 was a great wrap up for all B5 project, alot of loose ends where brought up and "clarifeid" during that season, and also it opened alot of new opportunities for new and future movies.

    The telepath problem in season 5 was a great starting point for the future Telepath war to come and also for Leta Alexander (Pat. tallman) to leave B5 and wonder away with J'kar.

    The idea of extra conflicts taking place after the shadows and the vorlons left the galaxy is 100% great and true, since it shows us that the struggle between evil and good is endless and it does n depend on certain people or races. Even the Drazi who were major partners in the alliance ended up to have their own agenda.

    The destruction of B5 in the last episode was something that should have taken place, because it was predicted by that centuri lady who was reading the future - the one that was saying that the shadows (unknown at the time) are coming for the other centuri lord.

    It also put a new track for every one of the main characters, Garibuldi, Franklien, Sheridan, Delin, Ivanova.

    Again season 5 was a greater closure for a great B5 and even if thigns were moving slower, still it is a must have.

    Regards
    Last edited by hishamT; 01-26-2005, 04:01 AM.

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  • alex_t
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    Originally posted by Capt.Montoya
    however for Crusade JMS said early on the B5 development that there was a side story that he might go into, but that there would be no actual sequel nor a Babylon 6.
    I recently digged through Lurker's and found that initially JMS spoke that there will be no any kind of spin-offs. But during the course of the B5 series he changed the attitude, and started talking about one possible spin-off story.

    Anyway, "Crusade" died as an infant. Since a lot details of it's real story arc appeared over the years - I think that it could be as great as B5. But never got a chance to prove it.

    I've just put my orders for "Movie Pack" and "Crusade" back
    I still want them.

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  • DoctorManbot
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    My gut tells me this isn't getting out of the starting gate.

    Of course, that could just be the chilli talking...

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  • Capt.Montoya
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    I could agree that the TV movies for TNT were cash-ins... however for Crusade JMS said early on the B5 development that there was a side story that he might go into, but that there would be no actual sequel nor a Babylon 6.

    You can find some of those comments at the Lurker's Guide pages for Crusade (and in this JMS archive, of course).

    I do agree that wringing every last penny from a property and converting it into a commercial franchise is quite despicable an attitude from Hollywood, I also don't want to see that happen to B5.
    But at this moment in time I am not concerned that it could even happen.

    Now, if TMoS turns out to be a recasted travesty I'll be concerned, I just hope that doesn't happen.

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  • alex_t
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    I hate this commercial American mantra: "if you had success with something, then make sequels until the public will puke on it". I totally agree with the subject of this topic.

    I mean, I would really like to see good B5 theatrical movie with the original actors and in the B5 universe. But I'm almost sure that either the original characters will be recast or there will be no original characters and under commercial pressure JMS will either rewrite part of existing B5 story or even will dumb it down (to make it easy for casual movie-goer).

    Also I feel, that most of the TNT TV-movies and "Crusade" are mostly cash-ins on existing universe.

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  • WorkerCaste
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Can we just leave it alone?

    Originally posted by Tibbetts
    Thought WB and TNT were partners.
    It would seem the WB corporate philosophy is more one of battling divisions. The divisions seem more adversarial, probably in an effort to show greater profitability than other divisions and thus control more of the overall budget. It has always seemed like WB TV was good to JMS and B5, but TNT killed crusade; WB Home Video refused to put out B5 for the longest time; WB Home Video was responsible for the Crusade commentary edit; and WB Features is mucking about with the movie. Perhaps none of them really want to give credit to the work done by the TV division. *SIGH*

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