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  • Jan
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    You know what the problem is with these forums? No "Like" buttons! That was a great read, thanks!

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  • alpha128
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    "The Exercise of Vital Powers"

    While we were waiting for C to join us, I told T at this point the season resembles a large multi-part episode. And although they don't, the creators could have put "To Be Continued..." at the end of every episode.

    Once C sat down, I recapped that Sheridan is continuing his campaign to retake Earth and her colonies, while Garibaldi is on his way to Mars to meet his new employer, who is married to Garibaldi's old flame.

    T was amused by Garibaldi touching everything in the guest room after being told not to by Wade. And T said, "Uh oh" when the masked figures rushed in and grabbed Garibaldi.

    C asked if Garibaldi was telling the truth when he said he didn't remember what happened to him, and I answered in the affirmative. And I made sure they understood that the only thing he did lie about was not still being in love with Lise.

    When Franklin hired Lyta for a long-term job and told her their destination T said, "So, they're going to Mars too."

    During the scene with Edgars, Wade, and the three terminal patients, C asked, "Why is he killing people?" and I said, "You'll find out."

    When we reached the end, I told them that the next episode would pick up right where this one left off.


    "The Face of the Enemy"

    At the beginning, I said this was an important episode which answers questions that have been lingering all season. I also told them to watch for a cameo from Harlan Ellison, a famous writer who died earlier this year. C asked me how many times I had watched this series that I could remember such trivia. I confessed that I read up on each episode on-line prior to watching it with them.

    When Sheridan started to fight back at the bar C said, "I thought he was drugged." I replied, "He was drugged." T then said, "It made him stronger!"

    When Lise was shown eavesdropping behind a column, T said, "A spy!" Later, when Garibaldi removed his false tooth and broke it open, I joked, "The old transmitter in the tooth trick!"

    I noticed that although C didn't speak much, at a couple of points she moved forward and sat on the edge of her seat - one was when Sheridan was beaten up, the other was when Bester was explaining what happened to Garibaldi. At the end of the latter scene, as Bester got up and started to exit the car, C said, "He's creepy!"

    Afterwards, when Garibaldi was searching Edgars' residence looking for Lise, I pointed out that both the disease and the antidote were missing, and T said, "Uh oh". C asked why the Psi Corps would want the disease, since it was lethal to them, and I said, "You'll find out."

    After the end of the episode, I recapped, "So Garibaldi didn't have a keeper on him, Bester messed with his mind." And C then reiterated, "He's creepy!"

    C then went on to say, "I could write the next episodes, Garibaldi will rescure Sheridan, take him back to the ship, then all will be forgiven and he'll be head of security again." I said, "You'll find out."
    Last edited by alpha128; 11-05-2018, 08:10 PM.

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Morden View Post
    Hm, I would have thought that there would be a more enthusiastic reaction especially to "No Surrender, No Retreat", since it's a very pivotal and intense episode.
    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    It boggles my mind how little you were able to give us on NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT, but what can you do when your subjects aren't giving you much to work with. LMAO
    C did say she was tired when we watched "No Surrender, No Retreat". That definitely reduced the amount of commentary coming from her.

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  • Looney
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    I just find the Lyta stuff so depressing and brilliant. Very surprised that they didn't react more to MOMENTS OF TRANSITION, but I will say that B5 is a little weak on the Minbari "Civil War". On the one hand I can see why it was done, but I almost wish they hadn't done it because I don't feel they cover it enough. But on the other hand I kind of see why it wasn't given more coverage. I don't know, it is complicated and I just wish EVERYTHING was more detailed.

    And yes Delenn and Sheridan have a chaste relationship. Far too chaste for my taste. (Sorry I couldn't resist the rhyme.)

    It boggles my mind how little you were able to give us on NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT, but what can you do when your subjects aren't giving you much to work with. LMAO

    And another episode where it seems like Londo and G'Kar might be on the road to resolution just to get people's hopes up.

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  • Morden
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    Hm, I would have thought that there would be a more enthusiastic reaction especially to "No Surrender, No Retreat", since it's a very pivotal and intense episode. But glad they are invested in the Londo-G'kar-dynamic.

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  • alpha128
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    "Moments of Transition"

    I introduced this episode by saying it mostly deals with the Minbari Civil War and that they should watch for a character named Mr. Adams who is played by Scott Adams, the creator of the Dilbert comic strip.

    At the beginning, as Sheridan was contacting C&C for information about Delenn, C remarked that "Delenn and Sheridan have the most chaste relationship in history." When Lennier relayed the message about the Warrior Caste destroying the capital, C said about Delenn, "She looks worried. She always looks worried. Maybe that's because she's so chaste."

    When Neroon was consumed by the Starfire Wheel, T said, "Ah, so it zapped him." C seemed surprised that Lyta went for Bester's deal, asking for confirmation, "So he gets her body?"

    Overall they did not seem to be quite as engaged by this one as much as the last few episodes.


    "No Surrender, No Retreat"

    I had explained as far back as Season 1 that each year of B5 has a title, and that one episode has the same title as its year, to emphasize its significance. I reiterated that fact, and told them this was that episode for Season 4. I then described the episode as "pivotal" and said it had a lot turning points.

    As Londo was entering the council chambers C asked me if Londo now had a keeper growing on him, and I said, "No, that's in his future." C then said, "I'm glad G'Kar got a new eye."

    When G'Kar poured his drink back in Londo's bottle T said, "I'll take that as a 'No'." Later at the bar T said, "So they're drinking together now?" and I said "Yes."

    At the end, C expressed skepticism at Garibaldi's vow never to return to the station. T's closing comment was, "There was a lot of action in that one."

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    Sorry I missed this one.

    Really seems like C likes to anticipate departures via death. LOL
    C has been watching the series long enough to know that characters don't stick around forever. Sinclair, Talia, Na'Toth, Keffer, Kosh, Ulkesh, all have either left or died.

    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    I wish C enjoyed the humor more. I know I love it.
    As I've remarked before, the humor seems to be right up T's alley and he consistently enjoys it. As for C, as a certain Centauri Emperor once said, "Humor is such a subjective thing."

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  • Looney
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    Sorry I missed this one.

    Really seems like C likes to anticipate departures via death. LOL

    I wish C enjoyed the humor more. I know I love it.

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Ubik View Post
    Hahaha, LOL. Yeah, it's that JMS' schoolboy humour that really doesn't work for everyone! I generally like the Zathras scenes, because, yeah... Zathras.
    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    I liked the Claudia/Zathras scene more than the sex dance (though I enjoyed the 'dialog').
    To be fair, I noticed this time just how long the scene was. I can understand how some might start to lose interest as it plays out.

    Thanks for reading and posting!

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  • Jan
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    I liked the Claudia/Zathras scene more than the sex dance (though I enjoyed the 'dialog'). To answer their question, though, the reason it was able to stay on was because it was willing to stick with those moments, humorous or serious.

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by alpha128 View Post
    "Conflicts of Interest"

    T, as usual, enjoyed the humor. He chuckled during Franklin and Ivanova's exchange about Epsilon III, during the Daffy Duck cartoon, and during Zathras' long scene with Ivanova. But apparently the latter scene went on too long for C's taste, as she wondered aloud at that point how the show managed to stay on the air for five years.
    Hahaha, LOL. Yeah, it's that JMS' schoolboy humour that really doesn't work for everyone! I generally like the Zathras scenes, because, yeah... Zathras. Never thought Claudia fitted the style of humour well, or that it worked for her character. She's totally got the range (see Freaks and Geeks for a 100% more natural performance).

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  • alpha128
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    "Conflicts of Interest"

    Since it had been longer than normal since our last episode, I reminded C & T that in "Lines of Communication" Franklin and Marcus had teamed up with the Mars Resistance, Delenn had met and fought the Drakh, and Sheridan had volunteered Ivanova to be the Voice of the Resistance.

    T, as usual, enjoyed the humor. He chuckled during Franklin and Ivanova's exchange about Epsilon III, during the Daffy Duck cartoon, and during Zathras' long scene with Ivanova. But apparently the latter scene went on too long for C's taste, as she wondered aloud at that point how the show managed to stay on the air for five years.

    During the confrontation in the air duct between Garibaldi and the telepath, C asked why he didn't shoot at Garibaldi. I waited for the episode to do its explanation, and then in case it wasn't clear, I said, "He didn't shoot Garibaldi so he could read his mind."

    C also didn't understand what happened in Docking Bay 3. I explained that Garibaldi went there to find out who the assailants were and they killed themselves to avoid being captured.


    "Rumors, Bargains and Lies"

    Before starting this episode, I reminded C & T about what Forell had said in "Lines of Communication" about the Warrior Caste forcing members of the Religious Caste out of their cities.

    T continues to enjoy the humor. He chuckled at Sheridan's antics in the mess hall at the beginning, and at his concealed "Yes!" near the end.

    During the hallway confrontation between the Warrior Caste and the Religious Caste, I pointed out each side. T asked how I could tell, and C answered, "the uniforms" which I confirmed.

    After the Religious Caste members outlined their plan to martyr themselves by poisoning the ship's air supply T said, "Uh oh. This is getting serious." And after Lennier had been poisoned, C said "Danger! Danger!" and asked if he was going to live. I told her "Watch."

    At the end when Neroon was apparently betraying Delenn T asked, "So he's double-crossing her?" To which I replied, "Maybe. Maybe not." As Neroon's flyer entered the jumpgate, C asked about jumpgates and hyperspace. Although I'm no physicist, I tried to explain it. I later emailed her this video which does a better job than I did.

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    I can almost imagine what their comments will be from here on out, except for INTERSECTIONS IN REAL TIME, 4.18. I have no clue how they will react to that one.
    Of the episodes coming up in the near term, I'm most looking forward to the title episode "No Surrender, No Retreat" and "The Face of the Enemy".

    Speaking of "title track" episodes, can someone tell me why Season 5's title is "Wheel of Fire"? I think that "And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder" would be a much more appropriate title for the season.

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  • Looney
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    Originally posted by alpha128 View Post
    "Racing Mars"

    I began by reminding them that, in the last regular episode, Dr. Franklin and Marcus were going to meet up with the Mars Resistance.

    Not a lot of commentary from C & T, but they remained engaged by the episode.

    T as usual enjoyed the humor, e.g., the running joke where Marcus teases Franklin about their "marriage" and when one of the black market smugglers hits on Ivanova.

    After Franklin's explanation of the parasite found on Captain Jack, and the dust-up between Garibaldi and Sheridan, C speculated that Garibaldi was acting strangely because he also had a keeper on him. She expected me to confirm this, but I only said she would find out later the cause of Garibaldi's unusual behavior. C showed actual concern about Garibaldi, wondering how he could be saved if the Keepers always grow back.


    "Lines of Communication"

    I didn't give any introduction to this one. I just let the episode unfold naturally. C & T did not have a lot of commentary and they seemed to focus on following the plot as it jumped from locale to locale.

    After Forell said, "Perhaps the situation is not as bad as the reports have indicated" and the episode cut to a ship being surrounded, T said, "It looks pretty bad."

    Later, as ISN replayed the story of Sheridan suffering from Minbari War Syndrome T said, "Fox News of the future."

    As usual, T enjoyed the humor, even Ivanova's potentially off putting line "If he weren't my commanding officer, I swear I'd shoot him dead."

    When Delenn told Sheridan that she was going home to Minbar and might be gone a long time, C asked if that meant she was off the series. I told her no, but that Delenn would be on Minbar for a while.
    For someone who is not a big fan of the series, C certainly gets concerned when there is an exit created for a character. LOL It is so great reading how each episode is getting more and more intense and they are getting more and more focused. This might be a good point to start filming yourselves watching episodes. There may not be many comments, but I'm sure the facial expressions will be there. I can almost imagine what their comments will be from here on out, except for INTERSECTIONS IN REAL TIME, 4.18. I have no clue how they will react to that one.

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  • alpha128
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    "Racing Mars"

    I began by reminding them that, in the last regular episode, Dr. Franklin and Marcus were going to meet up with the Mars Resistance.

    Not a lot of commentary from C & T, but they remained engaged by the episode.

    T as usual enjoyed the humor, e.g., the running joke where Marcus teases Franklin about their "marriage" and when one of the black market smugglers hits on Ivanova.

    After Franklin's explanation of the parasite found on Captain Jack, and the dust-up between Garibaldi and Sheridan, C speculated that Garibaldi was acting strangely because he also had a keeper on him. She expected me to confirm this, but I only said she would find out later the cause of Garibaldi's unusual behavior. C showed actual concern about Garibaldi, wondering how he could be saved if the Keepers always grow back.


    "Lines of Communication"

    I didn't give any introduction to this one. I just let the episode unfold naturally. C & T did not have a lot of commentary and they seemed to focus on following the plot as it jumped from locale to locale.

    After Forell said, "Perhaps the situation is not as bad as the reports have indicated" and the episode cut to a ship being surrounded, T said, "It looks pretty bad."

    Later, as ISN replayed the story of Sheridan suffering from Minbari War Syndrome T said, "Fox News of the future."

    As usual, T enjoyed the humor, even Ivanova's potentially off putting line "If he weren't my commanding officer, I swear I'd shoot him dead."

    When Delenn told Sheridan that she was going home to Minbar and might be gone a long time, C asked if that meant she was off the series. I told her no, but that Delenn would be on Minbar for a while.

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