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  • sense8ional
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    Here's another I know of: https://www.gamesradar.com/dark-soul...e-come-august/

    The admin of the Namco Bandai forums posted that if fans really want Dark Souls to release on PC as they claimed why not make a petition for it? And if there was a lot of interest the company might look into it. A lot of people said "lol, petitions never work" and "the Japanese releasing a game on the PC.. not going to happen"... but they signed it anyway, because why not? And after gathering an unexpectedly high amount of signatures all things considered, Namco announced the game for PC surprising many.
    Last edited by sense8ional; 05-20-2018, 01:58 PM.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    :That is weird! When I signed it said 504, so I should have been 505. When I just went back it said 491, but then slowly counted up past 505.

    WOW! Jan being the voice of negativity on a petition?!?!?!?!?! Now I've read everything!!!!! LOL (Actually I shouldn't laugh at that. If Jan is discouraged by petitions we might be in trouble. Of course she might just be enjoying the thrill of being the voice of dissent. )

    Seriously though, I paid to spread the word on that puppy so people better sign it. LOL I think the point is that we get enough signatures just to be noticed. What can it hurt? I say sign away despite the fact that the point of the petition might not be possible.

    As far as the fans go I don't think there are really enough active fans to make a difference. Maybe that will pick up again with it streaming on Prime. Maybe fans will come back to B5. The key is that it be available world-wide because that is B5's base. There has never been a big enough fan base in the U.S. to make a difference, but world-wide we could be a force that gets noticed.

    I never really go there, but is the petition in any Facebook groups?

    I think the main issue right now - and the reason I'm not particularly talking it up - is that there's some doubt as to whether the full (including effects) film transfer even exists as JMS thinks. If we could find out that it does, I'd be the first to bang the drum. But JMS himself posted a note from George Johnsen back in the day that they don't.

    Which isn't to say that I didn't sign, I did. I'm just not sure of the effectiveness.

    Originally posted by sense8ional View Post
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    Wasn't that mostly direct harassment, though?

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  • sense8ional
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    Are those petitions worth a darn? It's not as if they ever actually go anywhere, is it?
    Sense8

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  • Looney
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    :That is weird! When I signed it said 504, so I should have been 505. When I just went back it said 491, but then slowly counted up past 505.

    WOW! Jan being the voice of negativity on a petition?!?!?!?!?! Now I've read everything!!!!! LOL (Actually I shouldn't laugh at that. If Jan is discouraged by petitions we might be in trouble. Of course she might just be enjoying the thrill of being the voice of dissent. )

    Seriously though, I paid to spread the word on that puppy so people better sign it. LOL I think the point is that we get enough signatures just to be noticed. What can it hurt? I say sign away despite the fact that the point of the petition might not be possible.

    As far as the fans go I don't think there are really enough active fans to make a difference. Maybe that will pick up again with it streaming on Prime. Maybe fans will come back to B5. The key is that it be available world-wide because that is B5's base. There has never been a big enough fan base in the U.S. to make a difference, but world-wide we could be a force that gets noticed.

    I never really go there, but is the petition in any Facebook groups?

    Last edited by Looney; 05-20-2018, 01:32 PM.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by Ubik View Post
    488 signatures. We are really smashing it. Hashtag fandom fail. Sometimes I wonder if there are really that many fans left out there to mobilize. Hoping that the Prime streaming may improve that.
    Are those petitions worth a darn? It's not as if they ever actually go anywhere, is it?

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    Quick side note question that has been discussed in the passed. I believe someone pointed out that if you buy the series through iTunes it is in the original 4:3. Am I wrong? And wasn't there another place mentioned that had the 4:3 version, like Amazon or Vudu?

    AND I hope everyone signs the petition. Even if it is for something that doesn't exist, the more names on that petition the more likely it gets noticed. The more likely it gets noticed the better chances we have for reminding the world (WB) we are out here.
    488 signatures. We are really smashing it. Hashtag fandom fail. Sometimes I wonder if there are really that many fans left out there to mobilize. Hoping that the Prime streaming may improve that.
    Last edited by Ubik; 05-20-2018, 12:54 PM.

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  • Looney
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    Quick side note question that has been discussed in the passed. I believe someone pointed out that if you buy the series through iTunes it is in the original 4:3. Am I wrong? And wasn't there another place mentioned that had the 4:3 version, like Amazon or Vudu?

    AND I hope everyone signs the petition. Even if it is for something that doesn't exist, the more names on that petition the more likely it gets noticed. The more likely it gets noticed the better chances we have for reminding the world (WB) we are out here.
    Last edited by Looney; 05-20-2018, 11:24 AM.

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  • sense8ional
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    I don't know what material is available, but we can absolutely get better versions than the DVDs made with early 00s technology and with embarrassingly wrongly mastered CGI, I can tell you that. Now the end result might be closer to 720p than 1080p, but still a good deal better than the awful DVDs.

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  • Ubik
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    At this point, I'm reading through all the twitter exchanges on the 4:3 version, and I'm just fairly confused.

    Looks like we COULD get a far superior version of the show if WB were to co-operate? At this point my technical knowledge fails me, and JMS doesn't seem 100% sure of himself as those conversations unfold.

    The non-funding of a proper ref monitor for Foundation comes up, and he doesn't seem to know either way, which is totally fair. But, I'd love a proper definite answer on what we COULD get and what exactly it is that WB have in the vaults. Come to think of it, there must still be someone around who was involved on the technical end of B5 who could clarify this!

    Anyone?
    Last edited by Ubik; 05-19-2018, 02:55 PM.

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  • Ubik
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    Ah well... just glad it's going to be on Prime. I've got my digital copy so no real interest in streaming it, but will be nice to perhaps dip into it when I do occasionally have prime via a free trial.

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  • Triple F
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    The transfers to film – if there was a transfer to film which I don’t think there was (but I could be very wrong in that) – certainly wasn’t at 2K either. jms has stretched the truth to get a point across more than once – we’ve argued about some of them in the past – but that whole series of tweets was pretty ridiculous. Felt more like winding (the less technically knowledgeable) fans up and to encourage them to go hassle someone about an HD release.

    There’s one other thing that gives me that impression. For years he’s been asked countless times about an HD release, remasters or CGI, etc., and he’s never once suggested what amounts to a hi-def copy is sitting in Warner’s vaults . . . What, he just forgot about that. . . . . Sorry, but it doesn’t exist. The 4:3 version would be better, there's no deying that and have been arguing that for years - but his attempted manipulation of the facts (and fans perceptions) reached a new low with that series of tweets when read together. But that's just a personal opinion, obviously.

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    And so it begins. Folks believing Warner is holding onto a hi-def version of the show (and Amazon should access it) have started signing a petition. lol.

    https://www.change.org/p/warner-brot...ster-negatives

    Well meaning, but will do little other than maybe give some “news” site or blog something to point at showing how motivated the fans are, and how nasty Warner is . . . . . Though they’ll be lucky to get 1,000 button presses (or the intial 500 figure for that matter). Anyway.
    Last edited by Triple F; 05-18-2018, 08:17 PM.

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  • sense8ional
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    He wasn't just a writer. And this isn't something overly technical that the EP of any VFX heavy show back in the day wouldn't probably know. It goes without saying that in an era where all TV shows were made for SD resolution, that's also the resolution that the CG was being rendered at. Who would pay for 8x higher resolutions that no one would be able to resolve until decades later!! That would be an extremely poor investment of money.

    *Filming* in high resolution to make use of the footage one day comes for free (bar new transfer costs). *Rendering* in high resolution it doesn't. (Not to mention I highly doubt a workflow for 2K could be seriously used back in the day by a TV VFX studio, but that is a bit more technical.)

    And since he followed with "even so" once he was corrected, this means he wasn't talking about anything else, he really did think the CG was in 2K.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by sense8ional View Post
    LOL WUT. I don't know what to think about him now.
    Why would you think of him as anything other than a writer? My think is that he's referring to the transfer rather than the original rendering. When I want to know something, I ask. Suggest others do the same.

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  • sense8ional
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    I couldn't believe that he would have said that, but I looked at his tweets and it's true!!

    https://twitter.com/straczynski/stat...81692543172610

    The vfx elements were rendered st 2k per frame to match the film.
    LOL WUT. I don't know what to think about him now.

    Even Firefly was rendered at just 480p, and BSG in just 720p. How can he possibly think B5 was rendered at 2K???!!!

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  • Triple F
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    Originally posted by Ubik View Post
    I think it's JMS trying to drum up interest / fanfare. There have been a number of people that have pointed out technical issues with his statements. It's a more complex bag than he's suggested. Plus, I doubt Amazon would be willing as it's not exactly a high profile acquisition.
    What he said - and to be frank I really don't understand why jms is putting easily disproved stuff out there like the FX were created at 2K resolutions - they simply weren't, not even close.

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