Babylon 5, Great Maker, and Religion

[DGTWoodward]

Originally posted by grumbler
Of course, he upset a lot of people because he didn't introduce an Eastern Rite Atheist and a Reformed Atheist as well as a mainstream atheist,

I found this very funny actually CE, sarcastic humour at its best

[DGTWoodward]

Originally posted by Spirit
Well, let me explain
I'm a Jew - as i've may stated many times
In Judaism it is common not to use any version of His name. And "G-d" - well, when you write it fully - it is actually one of His names (though in English). We believe that someone's name
has a certain power in it. The name has a very important spiritual role and meaning. Kabala provides some basic tools to understand this. It's very interesting and I wish I had more time to start learning it .

For me saying "G-d" is a way to reference Him respectfully. That's it .

OK, now I am confused. Really, do you mean to tell me that Jews don't use God's (according to them) ACTUAL NAME?! A race with such a rich religious history and you don't say God's name - that really surprises me! I also do not understand why this should be - from my reading of various versions of the old testament didn't Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, ALL of them use God's name? According to the text, they certainly did. This is why I am confused. Oh, I know it wouldn't be the exact same version of His name, I mean, who speaks ancient hebrew anymore? But even with that, we still use the names Moses and Abraham and even though they are also not in said in extinct hebrew, there is totally no doubt over who we are refering to, is there? Information please....

[Ranger1]

Originally posted by LightStorm
OK, now I am confused. Really, do you mean to tell me that Jews don't use God's (according to them) ACTUAL NAME?!

Yup,Jews are not allowed to say god's name out loud,which is Jehovah (or how ever you spell that),even the word God in Hebrew (HELOHIM),Jews are not suppose to say that,but ELOKIM (in Hebrew text the letter H pronounced "hey" is God's first letter,so they kinda "cheat" and remove the H with K).

OMG i just got strucked by lightning

[DGTWoodward]

Originally posted by Ranger1
Yup,Jews are not allowed to say god's name out loud,which is Jehovah (or how ever you spell that),even the word God in Hebrew (HELOHIM),Jews are not suppose to say that,but ELOKIM (in Hebrew text the letter H pronounced "hey" is God's first letter,so they kinda "cheat" and remove the H with K).

OMG i just got strucked by lightning

Now I thought (again, from various versions and translations of old testament) that Elohim means (literally) GOD-GOD ie almighty god and is still in itself NOT a name. I think that you are much closer with Jehovah (a strictly modern English version of God's name - but again, there's no doubt over whom we are refering to, regadless of its modern qualities) or perhaps 'Yahweh' (poss phonetically "YA-HA-WAY"). I think that it on this ancient hebrew/aramaeic word on which our version 'Jehovah' is based. It makes no difference to me, I know exactly who I am talking about when I speak that name!

[Dr Maturin]

Didn't God tell Moses his name was "I AM?"

[DGTWoodward]

Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
Didn't God tell Moses his name was "I AM?"

I think a closer transaltion would be..." I am what I shall prove myself to be" . Besides, Moses (under devine inspiration) wrote the fist 5 books of the bible and at Exodus (I think....EX 6:3) he writes God's name, so I don't doubt that he used every day. The devine name is also found (I think) at Psalms 83:18. Make no mistake, those folks of biblical history Knew AND USED the devine name alright.

Actually, when you see the term "The Lord, My God" in the Old Testament, it usually means (usually) that the devine name has been removed and substitued. Those occurences number in the (minimum) dozens, possibly hundreds.

[Spirit]

Originally posted by LightStorm
OK, now I am confused. Really, do you mean to tell me that Jews don't use God's (according to them) ACTUAL NAME?! A race with such a rich religious history and you don't say God's name - that really surprises me! I also do not understand why this should be - from my reading of various versions of the old testament didn't Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, ALL of them use God's name? According to the text, they certainly did. This is why I am confused. Oh, I know it wouldn't be the exact same version of His name, I mean, who speaks ancient hebrew anymore? But even with that, we still use the names Moses and Abraham and even though they are also not in said in extinct hebrew, there is totally no doubt over who we are refering to, is there? Information please....

There is a commendment (one of the 10) - Not to use His holly
name for nothing. Yes it was used - at the Day of Atonement every year the high priest was entering most holliest place for all Jews - a chamber with the holly ark that contained the tables of the covenant. This chmber was in the first and the second temple
that once stood in the middle of Jeusalem - past the wailing wall (which is the last thing remaining of the temple complex), at the place where now the mosques are.

The high priest was saying His holly name - and then waiting - he was given the answer whether the pepople were forgiven for their thins or not.

Now there is no temple anymore and no high priest to do this.
The only thing that left is part of wall to remember tha days of the glory of our people. (I sound like Centauri hhhh)

Well, yes "G-d" is not a human name - we don't see people called G-d... But! In hebrew "Elokim" (which means G-d. I've changed the "h" with "k" for the same reason I write "G-d") is actually a name of G-d (the same goes for the L-rd etc.)

[I love Lyta]

Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
Didn't God tell Moses his name was "I AM?"

Ex 3:14
God said to Moses, "I am who I am . [1] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

[1]: Or I will be what I will be


EX 3:15:
"God also said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD , [1] the God of your fathers- ..."

[1] The Hebrew for LORD sounds like and may be derived from the Hebrew for I am in verse 14.

source:
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=Ex+3:15

[Spirit]

Originally posted by LightStorm
Now I thought (again, from various versions and translations of old testament) that Elohim means (literally) GOD-GOD ie almighty god and is still in itself NOT a name. I think that you are much closer with Jehovah (a strictly modern English version of God's name - but again, there's no doubt over whom we are refering to, regadless of its modern qualities) or perhaps 'Yahweh' (poss phonetically "YA-HA-WAY"). I think that it on this ancient hebrew/aramaeic word on which our version 'Jehovah' is based. It makes no difference to me, I know exactly who I am talking about when I speak that name!

Moses asked the L-rd "Who are you?" (the thorn-bush in flames scene L-rd speaks for the first time to Moses).
And L-rd says : "I shall be Who I shall be" ("Aaye asher Aaye")
- word to word translation.

And the name you used Y-hw-h - it has 4 letters in hebrew, and it is called "the explicit name". Actually this name may have a certain meaning. As many see it - it is a mix of three words - the mix of three forms of verb "to be" - WAS + IS + WILL BE.

And this is to state that He is The Eternal One....


There is onther way to see the meaning of the name.
There is a thing called Gematria - every letter of hebrew ABC has a number that it corresponds to. Its common to use hebrew letters to specify a number (sometimes).

The explicit name consist of the letters Yod (corresponds to 10), Hey (5) Vav(6) and Hey again (5)

Together the give 26 or 8 in one digit (how do we get 8? Very simple - we summ all digits of 26 : 2+6 = 8)

Every number in Judaism has it's own meaning - 8 is an Eternity
(it is even written like the symbol of infinity )

Every name (also every human name) has a certain spiritual meaning that can be discovered this way or by many other ways.

[I love Lyta]

If the guy who has published this cited the Gematria rules correctly the follwing would be quite interesting. :

G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)

added total = 666 (Antichrist)

[Spirit]

I would have to ivoke some of G'Kar laughter

A ha ha ha ha.. Hhh

It's very funny!

Do you know where the 666 came from?

The first christians believed that in oposite to the holly trinity (Father, Christh and the Holly Gost) there is also an unholly trinity
(Satan, Antichrist and the evil spirit).

Satan was trying to seduce Christ to leave his path, he took him to the desert, and there Christ saw three latters written at the sky - Shin Shin Shin - letters of hebrew ABC

This is the first letter of word Satan. Those three letters symbolized the unholly trinity. What's interesting - the letter Shin is written the way 6 is written (only upside-down).

I think that some time later those letters were mistaken for a number. A number that I don't know to have any special meaning.

So I'm saying to the satanist guys - I'm sorry - it's just a silly mistake And please - stop killing cats - I have a thing for them.

It's nice to know such things, you know It makes your world more interesting.

[Spirit]

Originally posted by I love Lyta
If the guy who has published this cited the Gematria rules correctly the follwing would be quite interesting. :

G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)

added total = 666 (Antichrist)

By the way - how is it that you know hebrew?
(And another thing - I would not spell it this way But it looks funny. Let's spell Kerry! We have to be politcly correct you know )

[I love Lyta]

Well, I don't but the guy who put up this website obviously does.

http://ww2.e-places.net/~admin12/

Tho it's something one could learn easily enough from various sources I daresay.

[Shr'eshhhhhh]

The 666 thing was apparently a mis- translation anyway it was (or at least so I've read from mulitible sources) originally 661 and was a reference to Emperor Nero.

[Spirit]

LOL!!!!!!!!!



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Let's discharge this thing

This is the way Geoge Bush is spelled in hebrew

Gimel (g) = 3
Vav (o) = 6
Resh (r) = 200
Gimel (g) = 3

Bet (b) = 2
Vav (u) = 6
Shin (sh) = 300


3+6+200+3+2+6+300 = 520
5+2+0 = 7

7 is a symbol of life actually
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