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  • Looney
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    Originally posted by alpha128 View Post
    Yes, we're halfway through the "revised list" now. Next we will go straight from #17 "Legacies" through #22 "Chrysalis".

    Previously, I was holding out hope for "Chrysalis", but they may be getting hooked earlier than I anticipated.
    So your next update will be after you have watch through Chrysalis with C&T?

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO ! ! ! ! ! I had total faith in you alpha128 . . . and I thought the content might help too.

    Okay overreaction aside I am so glad to hear something positive; even the slightest bit of a hook might be all it takes.
    Yes, we're halfway through the "revised list" now. Next we will go straight from #17 "Legacies" through #22 "Chrysalis".

    Previously, I was holding out hope for "Chrysalis", but they may be getting hooked earlier than I anticipated.

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  • Looney
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    WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO ! ! ! ! ! I had total faith in you alpha128 . . . and I thought the content might help too.

    Okay overreaction aside I am so glad to hear something positive; even the slightest bit of a hook might be all it takes.

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  • alpha128
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    "Signs and Portents"

    Before starting, I explained how each year of B5 has a title, and that one episode has the same title as its year, to emphasize its significance.

    T indicated that he is still having trouble keeping the players straight. I blame the Season One opening credits for this. I myself had some difficulty with who's who until the Season Two opening credits started putting faces with names.

    During G'Kar's response to Mr. Morden that he wants to utterly erase the Centauri, T said something like, "That doesn't bode well for galactic peace." To which I replied, "Yes it isn't going to be easy."

    Both C and T got a good laugh from the scene with Londo and G'Kar at the elevator.

    At the end we see Ladira's vision of the station blowing up. T said something like, "The effects must have been revolutionary back in their day." To which I replied, "Yes, they were cutting edge, state of the art at the time, and they get better as the series goes on." And C actually said "Wow!" at the end.

    I think I may actually be starting to hook them.

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    SO VERY TRUE. So many people can't view things through the lens of the context of the time they were made to see how brilliant they were and continue to be. People question the real greatness of Silent films because they view them as being simple when in fact so many were so complex to make. People can't see how truly brilliant and groundbreaking movies like King Kong or Citizen Kane are because they don't see the ground those movies broke. Babylon 5 falls so much into the same category. People don't realize how groundbreaking so many aspects of the show were. They just see CGI that they deem inferior and storytelling that they don't realize broke the mold for Science Fiction storytelling in the U.S. and that so many have tried and failed to imitate since.
    So true, and I think B5 only really comes into it's own once you've seen it as a whole. Hopefully C&T are happy to keep going. Probably a harder sell if they're not SF fans.

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  • Looney
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    Originally posted by Ubik View Post
    Sometimes with B5 I think it helps a great deal to have seen it at the time, context is really quite important.
    SO VERY TRUE. So many people can't view things through the lens of the context of the time they were made to see how brilliant they were and continue to be. People question the real greatness of Silent films because they view them as being simple when in fact so many were so complex to make. People can't see how truly brilliant and groundbreaking movies like King Kong or Citizen Kane are because they don't see the ground those movies broke. Babylon 5 falls so much into the same category. People don't realize how groundbreaking so many aspects of the show were. They just see CGI that they deem inferior and storytelling that they don't realize broke the mold for Science Fiction storytelling in the U.S. and that so many have tried and failed to imitate since.

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Ubik View Post
    Sometimes with B5 I think it helps a great deal to have seen it at the time, context is really quite important. Although, all of my intelligent SF loving friends have really enjoyed the show.
    At least they don't seem to dislike it. They aren't complaining about it. But they're not hooked yet.

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    You mean that is part of the deal or you just think you are going to give up? Honestly I doubt they are giving it a real chance. It sounds more like they are just watching to placate you. You need to figure out a way to guilt them into watching until they are hooked. With these two it sounds like you might need to get as far as Season 3 for that to happen.
    The deal I made with them was for twelve episodes. I told them that if, after the twelfth episode ("Chrysalis"), they weren't interested in finding out what happens next, then we would find something else to watch.

    Since "Chrysalis" leaves so many plot threads dangling, I'm hoping they'll want to keep watching. But there's no guarantee.

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  • Ubik
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    Sometimes with B5 I think it helps a great deal to have seen it at the time, context is really quite important. Although, all of my intelligent SF loving friends have really enjoyed the show.

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  • Looney
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    Originally posted by alpha128 View Post
    At this point, I think my last chance to hook them is the season finale "Chrysalis". We'll see.
    You mean that is part of the deal or you just think you are going to give up? Honestly I doubt they are giving it a real chance. It sounds more like they are just watching to placate you. You need to figure out a way to guilt them into watching until they are hooked. With these two it sounds like you might need to get as far as Season 3 for that to happen.

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  • alpha128
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    Originally posted by Satai with Punsch View Post
    It is hard work to get people interested in a show if they get hung up on lack of cuteness and non state of the art CGI. But hang in there, it will be interesting to hear what you have to report in the future when the show gets going.
    At this point, I think my last chance to hook them is the season finale "Chrysalis". We'll see.

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  • Satai with Punsch
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    It is hard work to get people interested in a show if they get hung up on lack of cuteness and non state of the art CGI. But hang in there, it will be interesting to hear what you have to report in the future when the show gets going.

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  • JoeD80
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    Originally posted by alpha128 View Post
    C did ask me a lot of questions about the show this time, e.g., what year it first aired, what TV station it originally aired on, how many seasons it had, etc. She expressed surprise that a science fiction show was a big enough hit to have a five season run.
    There was a lot of sci-fi on American TV in the 90s! JMS really managed to keep his show a step above the rest.

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  • Looney
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    Ah labors of love. They rarely make it easy on you.

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  • alpha128
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    "Mind War" / "And The Sky Full Of Stars"

    Not much to report regarding C & T's reaction to "Mind War". There was very little commentary from them either pro or con.

    They both seemed more engaged by "And The Sky Full Of Stars", and there was more commentary for that episode. C mentioned again that "Cumberbatch is cuter" than O'Hare. T had an amusing comment that the chair being assembled by the Knights at the beginning "looked like a dentist's chair." T also said later that he found the virtual reality aspect of the plot confusing.

    C did ask me a lot of questions about the show this time, e.g., what year it first aired, what TV station it originally aired on, how many seasons it had, etc. She expressed surprise that a science fiction show was a big enough hit to have a five season run.

    So "Sky" didn't hook them like I hoped, but they both seemed to find it more exciting than "Mind War".


    "By Any Means Necessary"

    C was very quiet during this one, and T didn't have much more to say. T did get a good laugh from Ms. Connally's line, "I don't care if they've agreed to wear bunny suits!", and at the end he said it seemed that labor relations hadn't advanced much from the twenty-first century.

    The experiment continues...

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