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  • joebarnin
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    Originally posted by flobo View Post
    When Sheridan leaves in the morning and touches Delenn's shoulder, i lose it, the closeup on Delenn's eyes, Sheridan leaving and not turning back with her grasping the air.
    Yeah, that scene kills me every time. They are barely under control, acting formal with each other. And then he touches her shoulder, and everything is released. Including my tears.

    And when he pauses at the end of the hall, and then keeps walking as she reaches toward him -- he knew that he couldn't turn around because they would embrace all over again and he would never leave. That scene; so painful, and so perfect.

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  • moreorless
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    Originally posted by Delenn_of_Mir View Post
    Oh and Jan, I agree with you on something for once - can't watch GOT,either, even though I adore Lena Headey and use her as my avatar. I quit somewhere around either season 3 or 4, canna remember.
    You might want to watch what follows then as she does feature quite a bit, the last season did also turn a bit of a corner in terms of being rather less depressing.

    Honestly in some ways I tend to view Sleeping in Light as a more effective closer to season 4 where as Deconstruction of Falling Stars works a bit better with season 5. SiL for me is really mostly about Sheridan, Delenn and Ivanova, obviously the latter didn't feature in season 5 but I think also the former two become less of a prime focus in that season and as I whole I think it gives more of a sense of history carrying on after the massive events of season 4 which I think plays nicely into DoFS.
    Last edited by moreorless; 12-13-2016, 10:27 PM.

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  • B5Erik
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    I think Sleeping in Light was a special case in a lot of ways. It was more an epilogue than a series finale. That would more properly be 'Objects at Rest'. Not sure how it would work for other shows but it really served B5 well.
    Good point.

    Sleeping in Light IS an epilogue - it shows what happens 19 years after Objects at Rest, and the fact that it was written and shot at the end of Season 4 gives it a different feel than the rest of Season 5, too. (And then you've got Claudia on the show in a pretty important part, and no Lochley, making it stand out from the rest of Season 5 for that reason as well.)

    But even with all that it's the perfect final episode. And the perfect tear-jerking, emotion manipulating final episode, to boot! JMS knew what he was doing, and he did it well.

    My daughter wanted to skip the episode the 2nd time through because it's such a downer, but it's so well written that she didn't push it.

    To me, the final 3 or 4 episodes of B5 before Sleeping in Light are downers, too. Good episodes, but downers - it's all about winding down the B5 story arcs for most of the characters. They're all leaving, and it's just so sad to see them move on and drift apart. But that's life - that's what happens wherever you work, for the most part. Eventually most people move on (even if it's for different positions within the same company or organization), no matter how much they like the people they work with. Maybe that's why that last group of episodes gets to me a little more now than it did when B5 first aired.

    But Sleeping in Light is a fairly different thing. It's final, and more meaningful & poignant.

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  • Delenn_of_Mir
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    I forced myself all the way through BSG once. I'm glad I did it, but don't know that I could ever do it again. Six was hot, hot, hot, and I loved Baltar. But really, my fave part of the series was the opening credits - most beautiful and devastating opening credits - and that song - OMG!!!!!!! But other than that I pretty much hated every minute of that miserable show. The ending was really sad and happy at the same time.

    Agree with everyone that SIL is extremely sad. I think I've only watched it twice. Was soooo depressed the first time I saw it, had to immediately start the whole show over again, and was depressed again the second time.

    Reading fanfic was the only thing that helped after that. Distorted Mirror being the very best one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh and Jan, I agree with you on something for once - can't watch GOT,either, even though I adore Lena Headey and use her as my avatar. I quit somewhere around either season 3 or 4, canna remember.

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  • moreorless
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    Honestly though it was pretty clear that ironically they did not "have a plan" with BSG well before the end so I wasn't THAT disappointed with the finale although the very end was pretty clumsy.

    Game of Thrones has I'd say done a much better job of bringing a bit of levity however grim the story gets, a shame really BSG didn't do it much as I think some of the cast would have worked well(Olmos, James Callis, etc).
    Last edited by moreorless; 11-30-2016, 05:08 AM.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by Looney View Post
    AGREED though I would argue "final episode" might need to be changed to every episode after season one. Okay that is a bit harsh, but that is when it all started spiraling downward until the giant mess of an explosion in the final episode IMO.
    I probably shouldn't comment since I quit watching after the second season due to the unrelenting grimness. IMO, it needed a dose of levity from time to time (same reason I gave up on Game of Thrones). That said, I did watch the final episode and rather enjoyed it.

    I think Sleeping in Light was a special case in a lot of ways. It was more an epilogue than a series finale. That would more properly be 'Objects at Rest'. Not sure how it would work for other shows but it really served B5 well.

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  • Looney
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    Originally posted by Ubik View Post
    I... BSG, what a mess of a final episode that was.
    AGREED though I would argue "final episode" might need to be changed to every episode after season one. Okay that is a bit harsh, but that is when it all started spiraling downward until the giant mess of an explosion in the final episode IMO.

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  • Ubik
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    I think the great thing about SiL is that it's a proper 'farewell' episode, no rush to tie up loose ends, no big explosions or climax for the sheer sake of it. Just a stately goodbye to a cast and universe that you've grown to love.

    Breaking Bad did a similar thing, the end was considered and stately. Fringe did it too, a perfect conclusion. Best example of how not to do it... BSG, what a mess of a final episode that was.

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  • B5Erik
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    I just watched Sleeping In Light a couple days ago, and it still crushes me.

    I do get emotional when watching it, and I really don't want to - but I can't help it.

    What really gives the episode that extra impact is how the last 4 episodes of Season 5 before SIL set it up. It's all wrapping things up and saying goodbye, and then Sleeping in Light comes up and makes it all so damned final. It is one of the most heartfelt, poignant episodes in TV history. JMS wrote a beautiful script, and the cast rises to the occasion.

    I hate to love it because I can't help but get (as Fonzie would say) misty when I watch it. My daughter hates the episode because it is so sad - not in a tragic way, but in a real world, things end and we have to say goodbye when we don't want to kind of way.

    Damn you, JMS!!! You knew we would have this reaction to it all along!!

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  • sarthaz
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    I've watched more television than anyone I've ever met. It was a hobby for a while, then a career, then a hobby again. And "Sleeping in Light" is, for me, among a tiny handful of truly perfect episodes in television history.

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  • Satai with Punsch
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    We do the same thing. At the end of a re-watch we always leave Sleeping in Light for a long time. Some times even months before we watch it. You got to be in the right place to even start watching that episode. And it gets harder with every passing of so many of the actors.

    Even the soundtrack gets to me. Some years ago I clicked on a youtube clip on some B5 Facebook page and it had the Sleeping in Light music. I had to throw my self on the stop button. It should have had a NSFW label! It is very embarrassing being caught bawling your eyes out at work.

    But what's with the love to hate thing? I don't hate it, I love it.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by LaserEyes View Post
    I actually asked JMS on twitter why the younger races couldnt go beyond the rim. His reply? "Too young to drive, obviously."
    LOL! Good answer.

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  • LaserEyes
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    I actually asked JMS on twitter why the younger races couldnt go beyond the rim. His reply? "Too young to drive, obviously."

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by babylonlurker View Post
    But he also knew *exactly* what he wanted.
    Yeah, for that one episode he could get *exactly* what he'd envisioned.

    Originally posted by LaserEyes View Post
    I always found myself wondering... Lorien 'caught' sheriden at the moment of his death and then...? Supposedly took him on a journey beyond the rim but in what form?
    Good question, isn't it? And apparently (from JMS' commentary), Sinclair disappeared, too. All we know is that they're probably enjoying that Taco Bell!

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  • LaserEyes
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    I always found myself wondering... Lorien 'caught' sheriden at the moment of his death and then...? Supposedly took him on a journey beyond the rim but in what form?

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