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  • #61
    I am sooooooooooo excited for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I missed out on the original B5 usenet thing, so it's super exciting for me to get to be here for this. I never ever ever thought a reboot would happen in JMS time. I felt for sure it wouldn't happen until after he was gone and then it would be horrible drek because they'd get someone like JJ to showrun it and a bunch of writers who didn't care or have a clue, who had never even heard of the original.

    Super Excited. *with a trillion exclamation points*

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    • #62
      (Did a little housekeeping and moved this thread down here and merged the 'Untitled' thread with it)

      With all of the discussion about reboots, I was trying to find a post I thought I'd remembered from back when the reboot series was being discussed for the didn't-happen new venue. So I posted to JMS' FB page:

      Originally posted by Jan
      JMS, a while back when the proposed B5 series almost happened for the new distribution venue, you posted some thoughts about what a 'reboot' can mean. Not asking for details of what you've got planned, just wondering if there might be something you could say to calm some of the worries of fans who've disliked reboots by other creators. Thanks!
      And he wrote:

      Originally posted by Fans of J. Michael Straczynski
      I'm not them.
      So like I've been saying - don't expect JMS do do what others before him have done.

      Jan
      "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Jan View Post
        (Did a little housekeeping and moved this thread down here and merged the 'Untitled' thread with it)

        With all of the discussion about reboots, I was trying to find a post I thought I'd remembered from back when the reboot series was being discussed for the didn't-happen new venue. So I posted to JMS' FB page:



        And he wrote:



        So like I've been saying - don't expect JMS do do what others before him have done.

        Jan

        That is a very good point. JMS is like no one else and there is no one else like him!

        Has there ever been any other tv show/franchise that was created by one person who wrote almost all of it himself and then went on to reboot it decades later and do the whole thing all over again?

        Aren't most all reboots done by somebody other than the original creator? That's why they usually suck. The new person wants to cash in on the name but wants to do everything their own way, which usually means that they have no idea what the original show was even about and he/she usually changes everything that people loved about the first show.

        This is JMS's show, no one gets it more than he does, so I don't think this reboot can fairly be compared to any other reboot out there.

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        • #64
          Hellooooooo!

          I haven't said anything yet because I wanted to get my thoughts in order....

          Hmmm, a reboot.... Well, I would go and see it simply because it's JMS and I trust him, and it's B5, which I trust too.

          But personally, I'd prefer either a continuation of the original, or a reboot that somehow incorporated the original into the plot in some clever JMS way, (perhaps as a sequel or prequel..., maybe 'pre' by 1000 years or something). No, I don't want to alienate any newcomers who haven't seen the series, I just feel that there was so much storytelling that was hinted at in the original, (and Crusade and Lost Tales for that matter), but that we never got to see brought to life. There are still so many stories to be told in the original B5 Universe, I'd prefer to see some of them told before we start all over again from scratch.

          Just my point of view.

          As for Battlestar Galactica; if they'd called the new version anything other than Battlestar Galactica, I'd have been happy with it. But naming a show which has an 18-Certificate / NC-17 Rating after a show which was a fairytale part of my childhood is a BIG no-no.

          My old pal DaveNarn and I agree on most things, but when it comes to BSG, I'm afraid not! (chuckles)

          Just my point of view. Again!

          Last edited by Sinclair's Fan; 07-30-2014, 01:17 PM.

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          • #65
            Where does BSG have an NC17 rating?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Delenn_of_Mir View Post
              Where does BSG have an NC17 rating?
              In the UK, which is where I was when the show was on. I watched the DVDs to catch up on episodes I'd missed, (I didn't know why it'd been given an 18-Cert [comparable to an NC-17 in the US]), but when I saw the content of some of those episodes, my heart sank and I just lost all interest. I realise people love the show, but for me personally, there was stuff going on that should never have been called Battlestar Galactica. They should've called it something else. As I said, it's just my opinion though.
              Last edited by Sinclair's Fan; 07-30-2014, 02:28 PM.

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              • #67
                I feel the BSG reboot started off amazing, but then got lost in the wilderness. This is likely due to the fact that it was done by someone trying to do their own version with a good premise and no endgame. What we are going to get is the same person trying relaunch his own franchise with a new vision that is still his vision. And don't forget what I already said, the more successful this is, the more likely we might see things we want from the original arc.

                One item I am worried about with a reboot is that we all know JMS has come up with some pretty dark characters. I really hope this reboot doesn't create a Universe full of morally ambiguous characters, as is the trend with popular shows today. A few amoral characters are fine, but if most of the main characters are both good and bad I think I'll lose interest.

                Anyway, back to JMS mentioning finding small roles for original cast members. I can't remember if I mentioned this here yet, but these are some villains I'd like to see.

                Mira Furlan
                Bruce Boxleitner
                Jason Carter
                Stephen Furst (If he can be convinced to act again.)
                Claudia Christian
                Bill Mumy
                Julie Caitlyn Brown
                Tracy Scoggins

                This being said I am certain JMS will not find big roles for these actors even if he really wants to, but we'll see what he can come up with.
                Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Looney View Post
                  This being said I am certain JMS will not find big roles for these actors even if he really wants to, but we'll see what he can come up with.
                  Why not? You must have a reason for saying that?

                  Jan
                  "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                  • #69
                    I don't know. It is just a feeling I have. But I will say that Richard Hatch was one of my favorite characters on the BSG reboot, so that establishes that it can be done.

                    Here is another thing I thought of, why use them at all? If the reboot is a success, we'll know in 2016. Depending on how fast things happen he could start telling Lost Tales with the original cast if he generates enough from the reboot. You know structure the feature to revolve around something like the Dilgar War. Then create a timeline that takes place with the subsequent activity in between that time period and the founding of B5. Then do stories that are taking place opposite what happens in the original timeline, alternate stories that are supposed to be happening on other parts of the station or where ever while the original arc is happening elsewhere. Then in a few years, with success, he could start doing Lost Tales type stories that give us the conclusions we want with the original arc. You know, tell the original arc through different characters experiences that aren't related to the original cast, other than taking place at the same time. Then when he catches them up to where we were all left off everything can be joined together to give us the closure we NEED!

                    I know, wild pipe dream that was eliminated the moment JMS mentioned trying to find some roles for original cast members.
                    Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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                    • #70
                      I can definitely see Bruce Boxleitner being used, primarily due to the fact that he's a ‘known actor’, and has recent credentials like Tron Legacy. He’d be a good draw and would definitely help get investors on board. I’d also really love to see Mira Furlan cast in a different role, or as a higher up in the Minbari government.

                      The rest of the original cast, I’m not so sure.
                      Captain John Sheridan: I really *hate* it when you do that.

                      Kosh: Good!

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                      • #71
                        Of course Walter Koenig would have to come back as an older version Bester, even in the reboot. I don't mean a continuation. I mean a reboot Bester that is exactly the same only he starts out a little older; he's the new/same Bester.
                        Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Looney View Post
                          Of course Walter Koenig would have to come back as an older version Bester, even in the reboot. I don't mean a continuation. I mean a reboot Bester that is exactly the same only he starts out a little older; he's the new/same Bester.
                          I'm not sure a 77 year old Bester really works... but he could be a higher up or advisor in the PsiCorps. Koenig might be great in a cameo type role.
                          Last edited by Ubik; 07-31-2014, 06:41 AM.
                          Captain John Sheridan: I really *hate* it when you do that.

                          Kosh: Good!

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Ubik View Post
                            I'm not sure a 77 year old Bester really works... but he could be a higher up or advisor in the PsiCorps. Koenig might be great in a cameo type role.
                            Well Ubik, I'm not sure you have ever been right about anything EVER ! ! ! ! ! ! !

                            But in all seriousness, I just wish Walter could get what he deserves for bringing to life one of the best villains in the history of fictional villains. I feel that a major role in a feature film for that character would do it. Maybe it would just be good enough for Walter himself to have a major role in the film. I don't know if a Psi Corps character would feel right though.

                            How about this, Walter as the architect of the Babylon Project? The one person who came up with the initial idea that grew into the stations. And yes Looney wants credit for this awesome idea JMS. PM me for the details.
                            Last edited by Looney; 07-31-2014, 07:47 AM.
                            Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Looney View Post
                              How about this, Walter as the architect of the Babylon Project? The one person who came up with the initial idea that grew into the stations. And yes Looney wants credit for this awesome idea JMS. PM me for the details.
                              You're right... I'm seldom right and should probably keep quiet!

                              Ha!

                              I love that idea, I could see Walter playing an ageing diplomat with a vision for a better future!
                              Captain John Sheridan: I really *hate* it when you do that.

                              Kosh: Good!

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                              • #75
                                I'm not that worried about it being done "correctly". Like others have mentioned, this is Joe's baby. I don't think he's going to do something stupid here that undermines his legacy. It's not like this is George Lucas ...

                                What I am interested to see, though, is whether Joe can craft a really good 2-hour story. It's my opinion that his greatest strength as a writer is epic scope, and B5's best attributes were the long story and character arcs. You can't really do that stuff in a 2-hour film, and I can't think of any self-contained short-form content Joe has done that really stands out to me. Sure, there are certain B5 episodes that are spectacular, but their greatness is informed by hours upon hours of setup. It doesn't mean he can't do it -- it's just something that stands out to me when I hear this news.

                                To put people's fears at ease, can anyone seriously imagine a 2-hour movie that does justice to Londo or G'Kar's arc, the Shadow War, the retaking of Earth, or any of the major plot points of the show? So I wouldn't expect him to retell the story with prettier people and bigger explosions. It doesn't make any sense on any level, and there are a number of tangential stories within the main timeframe to tell or brand new stories that have been running through his brain for the last 20 years. I'm sure it will be fine. Personally, though, I just hope it's not telepaths. I'm tired of that stuff.

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