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  • Originally posted by moreorless View Post
    If there was any pretence my guess might be he's actually hoping to get a TV series going and is using the potential of the film to try and light a fire under WB.
    *sneaks back*

    That's an interesting viewpoint. I think I like it better than mine. "giggles"

    So the moral is, ABP & DBO.

    Always be positive. Don't be obsessive.
    Last edited by Delenn_of_Mir; 08-17-2016, 01:28 AM.

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    • Originally posted by Delenn_of_Mir View Post
      Does anyone think that Joe never intended on doing a new B5 movie, that he just wanted to say he was making one, to use as an attention getter for Sense8? The news of the movie 2 years ago got everyone talking about him, which gave him an excellent spotlight to talk about Sense8. And then as soon as his new show is on and doing super well, all talk about the new movie disappears because the news achieved its purpose, and that was all it was ever intended to be?
      This paints him as being incredibly manipulative, don't you think? It also makes no sense because of the way it was announced at his spotlight panel. It wasn't a springboard, as I recall it was at the end of his 'this is what I've been up to/what's coming up' segment of the panel. And frankly, a Netflix show with the Wachowskis doesn't need any extra support. It's plenty all on its own.

      It's also possible that 2 years ago, he just got all heady with excitement about his new studio and maybe he really did want to do it, and thought, but not realistically, that everyone would be jumping all over themselves to give him money to do it, and that he'd have time to do it. But then time and reality took over.
      Perhaps there was a bit of over-optimism but once again I'll point out that what JMS said this year about building up 'street cred' for Studio JMS is *exactly* what he said two years ago - that after another TV series or two, another movie or two, the studio would be able to attract the major investors it needs. What happened in the meantime? Some projects he discussed two years ago didn't pan out (the over-optimism) and he had two major eye surgeries which took large chunks of time from his work. If you haven't seen what he was contending with with his eyesight, read this article about his leaving comics and look at the pics of what the disease did to his eyes. I know *I* couldn't have worked like that.

      I wish we could change the title of this thread because it's mocking all of us with false hope from yesteryear. But it was as true as anyone knew back when the thread was started. Prolly I shouldn't have posted, since the best thing would be to just let the thread die.
      That's not a bad idea. I can change the thread title. I gots da Mod Power!


      Originally posted by Delenn_of_Mir View Post
      Can you share your viewpoint and thought process?

      I know it's super positive, but any specific points?
      My main thought is that I shouldn't have posted while on the computer in the middle of the night when the cats woke me up. For the rest, see above.

      Always be positive. Don't be obsessive.
      Oh, far too late for me to not be obsessive!!

      Jan
      Last edited by Jan; 08-17-2016, 04:43 AM.
      "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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      • Originally posted by moreorless View Post
        If there was any pretence my guess might be he's actually hoping to get a TV series going and is using the potential of the film to try and light a fire under WB.
        This is an interesting question and I thought I'd answer it separately. (Don't tell the moderator that I'm double posting! )

        First and foremost, of course, is the fact that only JMS knows his own thoughts but my first reaction is that this isn't it. While I don't follow industry news at all, it seems that Kevin Tsujihara, CEO of WB Entertainment is bent on doing things the way he wants, much to some people's dismay, and it doesn't seem to include B5 in any way.

        Is it likely that WB will come on board whenever it comes time for JMS to look for major investors? Dunno. I'd hope that they'd realize how silly they'd look if they didn't support it and it became even a modest hit. But studios have been known to do pretty stupid things in the past.

        My personal feeling is that JMS has quit hoping they might do something with the property and is doing the only thing he can do after his attempt to buy the rights back dead-ended. But that's just me.

        Jan
        "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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        • Here is a Looney Look at it.

          I think JMS was so psyched about Sense 8 that he thought Sense 8 would be the springboard of a B5 feature. I think Sense 8 hasn't brought him the success and recognition he hoped for, wanted, and deserved. We all know it is a great show, but I think we also all recognize it might not have the mass appeal needed to get what JMS wants. I mean it is great there is a second season coming, but that didn't happen immediately. Hopefully the second season will bring with it the recognition it deserves.

          My next thought is on the financing front. If JMS really thinks he can eventually raise one hundred million dollars for a feature film budget on his own, then my guess is he won't go to WB until that is a lock. Yeah they might say great do it on your own, but they might also say here is another fifty to hundred million. They might also say feature film and let's do a new series. Really the money talks and if he can eventually raise that much then there is no telling what might happen. I mean honestly it is pretty awesome that he could give us a sixty million dollar figure. I think it is great he could throw that out there. And I think it is great given that we all know Sense 8 didn't make quite the splash he, and we all, hoped it would. Sixty million is a really great start. Now we just have to hope Rising Stars and Midnight Nation boost that "Street Cred" even more. It would be especially helpful if that happened before they were released. And of course, we all need Sense 8 Season 2 to explode in popularity.
          Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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          • Originally posted by Looney View Post
            And I think it is great given that we all know Sense 8 didn't make quite the splash he, and we all, hoped it would.
            Speak for yourself. I'm not sure where you got any kind of 'we all know' anything from anywhere, but given that Netflix has financed an even bigger second season than the first, I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. Is it 'mainstream viewing'? Of course not. "We all know" it was never intended to be, don't we?
            Last edited by Jan; 08-17-2016, 09:19 AM.
            "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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            • A Narn's perspective -
              Ironically a major B5 movie may suffer the same fate as the first Star Trek Pilot… too cerebral.
              Consider the new Trek movies, they are dumbed-down to sell to the biggest entertainment markets - foreign countries like China.
              Would the nuances of our culture be lost in translation?

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              • Originally posted by DaveNarn View Post
                Consider the new Trek movies, they are dumbed-down to sell to the biggest entertainment markets - foreign countries like China.
                Would the nuances of our culture be lost in translation?
                Are they? Or are they just going after a different, updated market? Not trying to be confrontational, I'm very curious. Have there been any quotes from the studio to that effect? I'm certain that every language is capable of subtleties so is it a matter of lousy translation, then? I'd be interested in finding out.
                "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                • Thanks for getting the mod to change the title, Jan.

                  It does make sense that with all his eye problems he was unable to do a lot of new work, which is reasonable. And Sense8 is all the studio has done, so it does make sense that back then he thought they would have accomplished more by now - so that would mean the goalpost didn't really shift - time kinda shifted it, but it wasn't intentional, and his intentions never changed.

                  When you first told us what he said, to me it just sounded like a copout, and I interpreted it as he'd never wanted to do it in the first place and he was just giving a lame excuse. (I can see why that interpretation wouldn't make any sense to you, since you're thinking about it logically, and I was thinking about it illogically) But now that you've explained it logically, it sounds like a genuine answer now.

                  And there still could be a teeny tiny bit of hope that maybe in 10-20 years or so there could possibly be a movie.

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                  • Originally posted by Jan View Post
                    Speak for yourself. I'm not sure where you got any kind of 'we all know' anything from anywhere, but given that Netflix has financed an even bigger second season than the first, I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. Is it 'mainstream viewing'? Of course not. "We all know" it was never intended to be, don't we?
                    If I were wrong Netflix would have renewed for a second season sooner than they did. Plus, Netflix had to hope it would be 'mainstream viewing' as did JMS. I hoped it would be 'mainstream viewing' because I know that mass consumption is becoming the only measure of success in that industry. JMS isn't going to build "Street Cred" to finance future projects with niche projects. Numbers are what matters and if massive numbers of Netflix viewers watched Sense 8 wouldn't people be talking about it? Wouldn't you read about it more in the media? Well the masses watching, talking, writing, and awarding it is what builds "Street Cred" in that industry. I would say buying it as well, but I don't know what the home video deal is for Sense 8. I know some Netflix shows make it to Blu-Ray and DVD and some don't. It doesn't seem to matter how big the show is only what their deal with Netflix is; i.e. I can't figure out why some of these Marvel Netflix shows haven't started being released on Blu-Ray and DVD.

                    Long story long Jan, I have no actual evidence other than the events as they have unfolded. JMS basically telling everyone it would change television forever (Look it up) + The time it took to renew + mainstream media coverage + average person on the street having ever heard of it = Not helping generate the "Street Cred" JMS and the rest of us wanted it to generate. . . .
                    Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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                    • Originally posted by Looney View Post
                      If I were wrong Netflix would have renewed for a second season sooner than they did.
                      Yeah...about all that long, long, LONG (two months and five whole days!! )... Now, keep in mind that I have NO information about it at all but do you think that maybe...just maybe, having one of the three creator/writer/showrunner/directors bow out for the season might just have had something to do with it? Cause I sure do! But none of us knew about that for months, did we? Thus are internet rumors created.

                      As for hoping that Sense8 would be mainstream viewing? I'm betting that nobody involved had any hope of that once a certain rainbow dildo hit the floor. And popularity/buzz, etc? Bet you haven't checked out the Brazilian fans lately. Netflix takes a much more global view of things than the more (provincial) traditional networks do. Worldwide, Sense8 is very much a success.

                      IMO, of course...

                      ETA: I'm pretty sure that the 'street cred' that JMS is interested in is with people in the industry - not so much the person on the street.

                      Jan
                      Last edited by Jan; 08-17-2016, 01:35 PM.
                      "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                      • Originally posted by Jan View Post
                        Are they? Or are they just going after a different, updated market? Not trying to be confrontational, I'm very curious. Have there been any quotes from the studio to that effect? I'm certain that every language is capable of subtleties so is it a matter of lousy translation, then? I'd be interested in finding out.
                        Reports like this from the LA Times indicate the changing attitude of movie makers for the foreign market.
                        With the likes of Joss Whedon on board, just follow the money

                        http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...105-story.html

                        So I'm thinking there may be difficulties in cultural translation.

                        "The growing market has made China increasingly attractive to the major Hollywood studios. Warner Bros. recently announced a deal with China Media Capital, a state-backed investment fund, to produce Chinese-language movies."

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                        • Originally posted by Jan View Post
                          This is an interesting question and I thought I'd answer it separately. (Don't tell the moderator that I'm double posting! )

                          First and foremost, of course, is the fact that only JMS knows his own thoughts but my first reaction is that this isn't it. While I don't follow industry news at all, it seems that Kevin Tsujihara, CEO of WB Entertainment is bent on doing things the way he wants, much to some people's dismay, and it doesn't seem to include B5 in any way.

                          Is it likely that WB will come on board whenever it comes time for JMS to look for major investors? Dunno. I'd hope that they'd realize how silly they'd look if they didn't support it and it became even a modest hit. But studios have been known to do pretty stupid things in the past.

                          My personal feeling is that JMS has quit hoping they might do something with the property and is doing the only thing he can do after his attempt to buy the rights back dead-ended. But that's just me.

                          Jan
                          That reaction seems rather unfair on Peter Jackson at least, for one thing the Hobbit films did make significant amounts of money and for another a large part of the motivation behind them seems to have been to create work for WETA employees.

                          The big failing of WB for me is that they've largely ignored the importance of the internet. A lot of box office returns are really decided by how hyped up and invested in something the net is, I don't think Marvel for example has yet produced a truly great superhero film but there good enough that the net hype will tide them over, the same with the recent Star Wars films.

                          A big issue might well be how well the new Trek TV series does, if that's a success then I'd imagine WB might be more willing to look at B5 again.
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                          • Originally posted by Delenn_of_Mir View Post
                            And there still could be a teeny tiny bit of hope that maybe in 10-20 years or so there could possibly be a movie.
                            You know what? I've decided I envy you for that hope (however dim ). I'm really sad about JMS leaving comics behind for good. Oh, it's for *purely* selfish reasons, I know, but I'm still sad.

                            See, with Joe's Comics, whatever JMS decided to write, if he decided it was worthy, he could publish it and with a fairly minimal delay, we'd (okay, I'D) get to see it. And such a variety! Dream Police and Ten Grand and Apocalypse Al and all the rest...

                            With novels, everything is at the mercy of a publisher buying and publishing it whether I'll ever get to see it. And plays?? A whole production has to be launched at a theater that's probably nowhere near me IF it gets produced at all!

                            All joined with features which are dependent on studios and lousy odds only to be equaled by those dictating whether TV shows get made - at all, much less made well; so there are likely to be more instances like Red Mars where there's a script I'll never see made now.

                            I'm greedy, I admit it. All my life I kept waiting and hoping for a writer who could write fast enough to keep up with my reading speed and *finally*, there was JMS who seems to have a pocket universe tucked away (or a great relationship with the Doctor) who not only writes fast but he creates the most compelling characters regularly...and now my 'feed', a steady stream of comics is cut off. Only two more issues left and that's all he wrote/will write.

                            Oh, I'll get over it. And Sense8 *is* being made!! And hopefully the Bradbury/Gaiman project will happen. And fingers crossed that Rising Stars will be fast-tracked and Midnight Nation will be meddle-free and amazing...all I have to do is wait (and wait...).

                            Okay, rant over! Just wanted to say that I understand a little better some of your frustration, folks! Hope I haven't sounded too harsh...

                            Jan
                            "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                            • Originally posted by Jan View Post
                              Yeah...about all that long, long, LONG (two months and five whole days!! )... Now, keep in mind that I have NO information about it at all but do you think that maybe...just maybe, having one of the three creator/writer/showrunner/directors bow out for the season might just have had something to do with it? Cause I sure do! But none of us knew about that for months, did we? Thus are internet rumors created.

                              As for hoping that Sense8 would be mainstream viewing? I'm betting that nobody involved had any hope of that once a certain rainbow dildo hit the floor. And popularity/buzz, etc? Bet you haven't checked out the Brazilian fans lately. Netflix takes a much more global view of things than the more (provincial) traditional networks do. Worldwide, Sense8 is very much a success.

                              IMO, of course...

                              ETA: I'm pretty sure that the 'street cred' that JMS is interested in is with people in the industry - not so much the person on the street.

                              Jan
                              Oh a I wish I had the energy to respond to more of these points because it is fun, but here is one I feel is worth noting. JMS is going to find it hard to build his Hollywood "Street Cred" to help finance a Babylon 5 movie based on Sense 8 being popular in Brazil. I think we all know that when it comes to big budget movie financing these days there are only two markets that have the highest percentage of getting what he wants, the U.S. and China. I don't know if Sense 8 is huge in China, but I know it isn't big enough in the U.S. for him to get what he wants. Now that isn't to say he couldn't get financing from other markets like Brazil, but if he wants Warner Brothers to join him based on his Sense 8's "Street Cred" they are going to say, "How popular is it in the U.S. and China?" Honestly I REALLY wish some company in Britain or Germany or both had financed a B5 feature ten years ago and I'd be perfectly happy if they decided to now.

                              Oh and P.S. I think several of Netflix's biggest shows were renewed before they "aired" or within the first week.

                              And while I am on the subject, I love Netflix's series STRANGER THINGS.
                              Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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                              • Originally posted by Looney View Post
                                Oh and P.S. I think several of Netflix's biggest shows were renewed before they "aired" or within the first week.
                                How many of them had one third of their creative team take a season off? We do want to make real comparisons, right?

                                And you keep saying 'based on' Sense8 when the whole discussion is about *building* credibility by adding additional credits.
                                Last edited by Jan; 08-19-2016, 03:55 AM.
                                "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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