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  • Originally posted by Marsden View Post
    Michael Bay, directing.





    No!!!!
    how do you spell Q-U-E-E-Z-Y ? sick to in my stomatch pouch, let borat direct.... damnit....

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    • Originally posted by Ubik View Post
      He's totally right.

      In all honesty, I'm unsure if a wider awareness of the ‘orginal B5’ would do a feature film much good. Modern audiences might struggle to take the existing B5 series seriously. I mean, we KNOW it’s an amazing show, but I can also appreciate that I have a major case of ‘rose tinted glasses’ when it comes to B5. As a whole, it's superb, but it also has its flaws.

      At first glance, new viewers could easily find it cheesy, dated and badly acted, especially when watching Season 1. They have to overcome that initial hurdle, and many may not get beyond the first few episodes to later discover what a gem it truly is. So many of my friends have stopped after 4-5 episodes, and only those I've really sat down with have gotten far enough to appreciate it.

      The production values of TV shows have increased tenfold since B5, and are now on a par with Hollywood films in the way they look and feel. I mean, something like House of Cards just oozes quality. A reboot is definitely for the best.

      And me, personally... I want to see something fresh and new that will surprise and wow me anew. I actually kinda wish it could be on the small screen. I know it'll never happen, but a Netflix funded reboot series. I could totally go for that.
      Honestly the #1 reason to reboot for me besides of course the fact several actors aren't with us anymore is simply that the original Babylon 5 had run its course, told its best story that the characters involved were designed to fit into.

      I would tend to echo your idea that it seems much better suited for TV/Netflicks than it does the big screen although equally I do think theres a lack of futuristic space sci fi at the cinema these days(I need my space battles dam it ). Maybe what JMS has in mind for the reboot is simply something that is best suited to a shorter format? a more tightly focused story perhaps with fewer characters/races?

      As far as the original series goes I think that whats really switched since the 90's is that production allows for high quality in every scene, in most B5 episodes you can point to a few very strong scenes that end up being linked together by somewhat more perfunctory ones simply because the time/money wasn't there to give it all the same polish.

      To some degree though I think B5 as it was worked exactly because it was rather pulpy, JMS was very successful in taking a lot of archetypes for pulp sci fi and deconstructing them into something with expected greater depth plus of course the series had somewhat of an "in" comedy element to it.
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      • Originally posted by Ubik View Post
        I think season 1 improves tenfold after you’ve seen the rest of the series. Re-visiting that season just makes you appreciate how tightly developed the arc was. All the little hints that come to fruition later are fun to pick out.
        Oddly enough I didn't start watching B5 when it originally aired until Season 2. It was not an easy show to catch on my cable network. The time and channel changed often. I hadn't seen Season 1, but I was really getting into Science Fiction and Trek wasn't cutting it so I decided to give Season 2 a try when it premiered. I was instantly hooked and so mad that I hadn't seen Season 1. I don't remember the first time I saw Season One, but it might have only been after the first edition of VHS tapes started being released. I don't recall if that was after I'd seen Season 2 or 3, but I am certain I saw Season 1 before I saw Season 4 or 5.
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        • The first season is a bit odd in that it almost became a bit of misdirection, that is it does almost seem like it might be a "reset buttom sci fi" and that several of the characters whilst well played might be not incredibly deep archetypes. Knowing the latter isn't true especially makes rewatching it much more enjoyable I would say.
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          • Originally posted by moreorless View Post
            The first season is a bit odd in that it almost became a bit of misdirection, that is it does almost seem like it might be a "reset buttom sci fi" and that several of the characters whilst well played might be not incredibly deep archetypes. Knowing the latter isn't true especially makes rewatching it much more enjoyable I would say.
            Oh yes, absolutely. The depth only becomes apparent later, once you're a few seasons in. Watching S1, you are tangentially aware there is a continuing thread, but it appears to be like most other episodal 'reset button' shows up to a point. But, as we now know "No one here is exactly what he appears. Not Mollari, not Delenn, not Sinclair .. and not me."

            There are also lots of little things that don't play out as planned out due to actor changes, i.e. Sinclair, Talia, etc...
            Last edited by Ubik; 03-09-2015, 11:37 AM.
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            • I liked season 1 from the start. I introduced several people to the show by starting from the first episode and no one ever had an issue. So many great moments with Londo, G'Kar, and the rest in there. Season one is an integral part of the show. B5 is a show meant to be watched in order, right from the beginning.

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              • Originally posted by JoeD80 View Post
                I liked season 1 from the start. I introduced several people to the show by starting from the first episode and no one ever had an issue. So many great moments with Londo, G'Kar, and the rest in there. Season one is an integral part of the show. B5 is a show meant to be watched in order, right from the beginning.
                TOTALLY AGREE ! ! ! I so wish I had originally seen it from the beginning instead of coming in Season 2. It was great to see Season 1 for the first time after I already knew where it was going, but it would have been soooooooooooooooooo much better to have been on the ride from the beginning. For me everything would have had soooooooooooo much more impact, especially with G'Kar, Londo, Delenn, Sinclair and the mystery of what had Garibaldi laid up at the start of Season 2. And Ivanova essentially being on her own at the start of Season 2 would have had more impact. I could go on, but you get the idea.
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                • I saw it from the pilot and made it a point to catch every episode when it first aired. Only show I can say that about.

                  There was just something about Michael O'Hare that really worked for me with him as Sinclair. Scenes like the one with him and Naroon, "Branmer's life was more significant than his battles. Let the warrior caste praise his courage in war, and let the rest praise him for what he truly was—a man of peace." For me it was scenes like that where I just thought "nailed it!"

                  So while yes season one had it's painful moments like all shows do as they try to adjust and find their groove, it had me from the beginning.

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                  • So has there been any new news yet? Has Joe mentioned the script at all. Do we know if he's even had time to outline it yet?

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                    • I certainly enjoyed it right from the start(well the start of the series didn't catch the pilot until a bit latter) and I spose you could argue the shift isn't really so much between seasons one and two as it is between the first and second halves of the first season. I would still say Coming of Shadows represents the series hitting its real peak form though.

                      Originally posted by Nastastu
                      There was just something about Michael O'Hare that really worked for me with him as Sinclair. Scenes like the one with him and Naroon, "Branmer's life was more significant than his battles. Let the warrior caste praise his courage in war, and let the rest praise him for what he truly was—a man of peace." For me it was scenes like that where I just thought "nailed it!"
                      I would agree with this, in the early stages of the series I think his portrayal of Sinclair was arguably more central to the show than any other character at any point in the series. That could I spose hint at a direction a rebooted B5 could take, something that focuses more tightly on a Sinclair like character and something along the lines of his originally planned arc? Maybe a story either set in or with flashbacks to the Earth/Minbari war touching on the significance of the link between the two races and himself? could be interesting and would obviously have room for plenty of action.

                      Honestly I can see the logic of going that route as well since personally I think that the Centuri/Narn story would be VERY difficult to better in any reboot.
                      Last edited by moreorless; 03-10-2015, 01:32 AM.
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                      • So here is one positive I can take from Michael O'Hare having to leave the show, he DIDN'T completely become the center of the show. I mean that strictly from a structural point of view. I love Sinclair, but having a new Military Governor come in at the start of Season 2 helped avoid the cliche of making the series all about a central hero. Yes there is a lot of that, but I think B5 is a better show because him leaving made the position he held in the plot slightly less central in terms of the structure. Had he continued on the show then it would have been a fraction more about his role being top of the pyramid, which is very typical of narrative forms we are exposed to today. It gave us "You are the one who was. You are the one who is. You are the one who will be.", at least in terms of how the audience ended up looking at the three characters. The point I am taking too long to make is that had O'Hare not left or if a reboot focuses on a central protagonist then the plot falls into a little more typical format than the original series gave us with regard to a central hero. Yeah Sheridan is a central hero, but I think anyone who has seen the entire series knows he did not get there on his own more than they might think is true about central heroes in other stories. I hope that makes sense. Having said all that I am sure the reboot will focus on a central hero; I hope this time it is Delenn and JMS just bites the bullet and hires Mira. She may not have the Box Office Juice needed in the U.S., but I don't care. I like good things to happen to people I like, especially when we all know she has the talent to not only pull it off, but create a Delenn that isn't quite the same as the Delenn we remember. WOW! I didn't think I would go on that long.
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                        • I think the key difference between Sinclair and Sheridan is that the former is already at the start of the series very much "enlightened". Theres a lot of information he doesn't know of course but his general world view is at the kind of level Sheridan would only reach much latter. Having your lead character be someone who's learning from others rather than mainly guiding others(not that Sheridan doesn't do a good deal of that) leaves a lot more room for supporting characters.

                          That's I think why O'Hares departure didn't hurt the show too badly, the "one who was" wasn't just something JMS made up to cover himself it did feel right, that is Sinclair does feel like a character near the end of his journey in terms of his personal growth where as Delenn is mid way though hers and Sheridan is starting his.
                          Last edited by moreorless; 03-10-2015, 12:33 PM.
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                          • My moody-pessy glass is getting lower and lower. I am fearing now that Joe just doesn't have the time to do a B5 movie. He's got so many other projects, that I'm just not sure there's any time left for our beloved space show.

                            I hope I'm wrong, of course. It's just how I'm feeling right now.

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                            • Originally posted by Delenn_of_Mir View Post
                              My moody-pessy glass is getting lower and lower. I am fearing now that Joe just doesn't have the time to do a B5 movie. He's got so many other projects, that I'm just not sure there's any time left for our beloved space show.

                              I hope I'm wrong, of course. It's just how I'm feeling right now.
                              Fear not Delenn_of_Mir. Who is to say he doesn't already have most of it written?! We are talking about an idea that has been stopped and started many times in the past. We are talking about a Universe that JMS knows intimately. We are talking about a project that may just need a little tweaking to modernize. There is no telling. Even if he is starting from scratch instead of re-working an existing idea it is still a world he is very familiar with and hopefully will easily slip back into. JMS may need to put very little effort into finishing the writing end of things and then it just becomes a matter of time to sell it and get it made. For all we know it might be written and he is already trying to get it made. Yes I know that is wishful thinking, but you never know. It may take longer than we want, but at least we know he is trying to get it done on his own this time instead of messing with what WB wants. If they sign on I hope he is still able to maintain control of how things happen.
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                              • Originally posted by Delenn_of_Mir View Post
                                My moody-pessy glass is getting lower and lower. I am fearing now that Joe just doesn't have the time to do a B5 movie. He's got so many other projects, that I'm just not sure there's any time left for our beloved space show.

                                I hope I'm wrong, of course. It's just how I'm feeling right now.
                                Ummm... It's only March for heaven's sake!

                                And remember that we just this week got news (see the 'Interesting JMS posts' thread in General Discussions) that he's got a new spec script making the rounds. So we know he managed to find that time someplace - why wouldn't he be able to do so for Babylon 5? I swear the man has a pocket universe tucked away someplace for all of the scripts he manages to churn out!

                                I really don't think we can expect any word any time soon. It sucks, but there's also no indication that JMS has changed his mind.

                                Jan
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