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  • Ubik
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    I'm working on something Jan. About time I got active instead of complaining!

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  • Jan
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    If anybody had posted what they'd done, I'd be shouting from the rooftops. In addition, I just started a new job so I've got less time to devote to this and volunteers aren't exactly knocking at my door. This is going to be a hard campaign to get people motivated so any ideas or volunteers would be welcome.

    Jan

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  • Jan
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    Don't know details as it's not my project but it seems obvious that they'd want to keep profits at the same level so if the base price goods up then the sale price is likely to go up.

    None of my business because it's not my program. Just trying to help out with promoting it.

    Jan

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  • Triple F
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    Just seems a bit strange is all. Green and Purple shirts go on sale at $15.55 and it’s said the profits will be split between the charities. A few days later the red shirt goes on sale, again at $15.55 and the same thing about the charities. All good stuff, two birds with one stone as it were. Get the word out about #FreeBabylon5, with the nice little bonus of raising awareness of, and a little revenue for, the two existing charities.

    But…… to then say that they’ll not be available at such a low price again just makes it sound more like a commercial product than a charitable/promotional project. Just checked, at the current price of $15.55 the profit per shirt is $7.73.

    27 red, 44 Green and 60 of the purple were sold, meaning $1012.63 profit to be shared between the charities, which is really great. But it’s not a high enough profit in such a short period of time!!? That’s the WTF bit I don’t really get.

    I understand it instils a sense of urgency, I’ve got the right impression – but is it really necessary to do that, as you say this is a long haul fan based project, not a short term blitz.

    That claim about not being available at such a low price again, I know for a fact, it’s forced people into purchasing the likes of various B5 books at a time they really couldn’t afford them. It’s a hard sell technique that doesn’t go down to well with a lot of people. You might not agree with that. They might not even say it, sometimes. But it’s the situation.

    Take it as a (genuinely good intentioned) FYI type thing, or me just being a pain in the arse. One other little point, while your getting the likes of the web site organised (which of course takes time), there’s so many quick and easy posts to make on the FB page that could let folk know what’s going on with the drive – who’s posting articles about it on the wider internet for example. But over the last week there’s only been three new posts, all of them about those f’ing t-shirts. ; )
    Last edited by Triple F; 09-25-2013, 07:43 AM.

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Garibaldi's Hair View Post
    That point really can't be emphasised enough. I haven't used Tfund, but used to promote my band's t-shirts on the CafePress site, and the reality was (and is) that the base price was just too high in comparison with buying "normal" t-shirts from a "normal" store.

    Even adding just $0.01 to the base price (essentially to round it to the exact dollar rather than leave it at $x.99) meant they were a good couple of pounds more expensive than you could buy better known bands t-shirts in the local shops.

    A number of people over the years have said that they would have bought a shirt if they were cheaper, but I can't do them cheaper via CafePress because they are basically being sold at base price already, and have struggled to find a printer (locally or otherwise) who can do shirts to the quality that I want in the low numbers that I want.

    That is the problem with print to order stuff ... your pricing really is at the mercy of what the printer chooses to charge for their part of it, expecially if you are looking to either make a profit yourself or raise revenue for charity.
    I suspected as much. Perhaps once the campaign has grown some, and we are looking at bigger numbers, it will become feasible to do a low print run of t-shirts (or whatever promotional product). If this becomes the case, a kickstarter could be useful, then once the funds are in... you go to print and send them out. It may allow for a lower unit price.

    But, this works for now and allows folks to support on a smaller scale.

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  • Garibaldi's Hair
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    Seriously? Yeah, you read that right. And it was meant to instill a sense of urgency because the clock was running out. If you're looking to get the wrong impression, you'll find a reason.

    Anybody who's taken a moment to check out Tfund or CafePress knows that they set the base price of their items. And they have sales. And in this case, probably because Tfund is brand new, their base price for shirts was set really low. It's not likely to be so low again. So, yeah. Prices will never be this low again.

    Anybody who hasn't taken a moment to check out Tfund or CafePress will ask questions and take offense elsewhere.

    ETA: Tfund only offers T-shirts.

    ETA 2: Final count on the Drazi shirts: Purple - 60 Green - 44. So I guess we're stunning in Purple!


    Jan
    That point really can't be emphasised enough. I haven't used Tfund, but used to promote my band's t-shirts on the CafePress site, and the reality was (and is) that the base price was just too high in comparison with buying "normal" t-shirts from a "normal" store.

    Even adding just $0.01 to the base price (essentially to round it to the exact dollar rather than leave it at $x.99) meant they were a good couple of pounds more expensive than you could buy better known bands t-shirts in the local shops.

    A number of people over the years have said that they would have bought a shirt if they were cheaper, but I can't do them cheaper via CafePress because they are basically being sold at base price already, and have struggled to find a printer (locally or otherwise) who can do shirts to the quality that I want in the low numbers that I want.

    That is the problem with print to order stuff ... your pricing really is at the mercy of what the printer chooses to charge for their part of it, expecially if you are looking to either make a profit yourself or raise revenue for charity.

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post

    ETA 2: Final count on the Drazi shirts: Purple - 60 Green - 44. So I guess we're stunning in Purple!


    Jan
    Those numbers are significantly healthier than I believed them to be. Well done.

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  • Jan
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    Seriously? Yeah, you read that right. And it was meant to instill a sense of urgency because the clock was running out. If you're looking to get the wrong impression, you'll find a reason.

    Anybody who's taken a moment to check out Tfund or CafePress knows that they set the base price of their items. And they have sales. And in this case, probably because Tfund is brand new, their base price for shirts was set really low. It's not likely to be so low again. So, yeah. Prices will never be this low again.

    Anybody who hasn't taken a moment to check out Tfund or CafePress will ask questions and take offense elsewhere.

    ETA: Tfund only offers T-shirts.

    ETA 2: Final count on the Drazi shirts: Purple - 60 Green - 44. So I guess we're stunning in Purple!


    Jan
    Last edited by Jan; 09-25-2013, 03:01 AM.

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Triple F View Post
    WTF! Did I read that right.

    They’re meant to promote the idea of getting B5 back on the telly, with a side dish of providing funds to a couple of charities. Using a hard sell tactic like that – saying the price will go up in the future - might not be exactly the best way to rally support from other (cash strapped) fans, and may even leave a few with the wrong impression about motivations and objectives.
    Ultimately, people will vote with their wallets, and if they can’t afford it or don’t like the product, then they can simply not buy a shirt. I expect Jenny is just trying to rally the troops before the campaign concludes. The only point I’d make is that anything more than $15 plus postage for a plain print t-shirt, even if it is for a good cause and to support B5, is over and above what most people will pay. If we are struggling to reach 25 shirts sold at this price point (with some fans buying multiples), then we may not have much luck with a higher price for a second print run. (Edit: I stand corrected on this one, those numbers are good, but $15 seems like the right price point to me.)

    I applaud the effort and do not mean to rain on anyone's parade, just trying to give constructive feedback. For future items, I'd strongly encourage cheaper items like stickers and patches. If people don't have to think twice about the cost, more will be sold and it will further the cause, which is what this is all about!
    Last edited by Ubik; 09-25-2013, 03:38 AM.

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  • Triple F
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    Less than five hours for the Drazi Green and Purple, too. And Ranger Jenny tells me that these will *never* be priced as low ever again!


    Jan
    WTF! Did I read that right.

    They’re meant to promote the idea of getting B5 back on the telly, with a side dish of providing funds to a couple of charities. Using a hard sell tactic like that – saying the price will go up in the future - might not be exactly the best way to rally support from other (cash strapped) fans, and may even leave a few with the wrong impression about motivations and objectives.

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  • Jan
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    Less than five hours for the Drazi Green and Purple, too. And Ranger Jenny tells me that these will *never* be priced as low ever again!


    Jan

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  • KoshN
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    We're up to 23 of 25. ONLY 2 LEFT before the quota is met.

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  • KoshN
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    We're up to 20 of 25. ONLY 5 LEFT before the quota is met.

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  • Jan
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    Okay, I saw Ranger Jenny online and checked. The minimum number of shirts have been ordered so that all orders will be fulfilled. BUT the charities won't get the full amounts until the entire 25 are ordered. So Order More!

    Also, in case anybody wonders, fulfillment will happen after the campaign ends - in the case of the Mars shirts, a little over eight days from now.

    Aand....Purple is still leading in the Purple vs Green battle!

    Jan

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  • KoshN
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    Originally posted by KoshN View Post
    Sorry, but since I wasn't involved in that discussion, "Rangers Jenny or Tracy" doesn't ring a bell. I don't know HOW to contact them, what their official handles are or where to contact them (here, on b5tv or on the tfunds page).
    OK, where can I contact these people and HAS the quota for thr red Mars shirt been met?

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