Jane Killick, Clark's Law, and DS9

[Delenn_of_Mir]

I tried Dell number one today and put it down on page 22 because the characterization of Sheridan and Ivanova, and Garibaldi was soooo off that I couldn't bear it anymore.
*shudders*

[Delenn_of_Mir]

And just to yank this off the rails, did I mention that I've recently acquired a B5 flak jacket? Check it out at:

http://photos.b5archivist.com/GalleryFilmstrip.aspx?gallery=212359&mid=53325998&mt=Photo&ci=008

Jan

That is totes cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KoshN]

Yes, so only his head and hands should have disintigrated. I see.

Franklin got grazed by the first firing of the beam weapon. The two lurkers got hit dead-center by the beam when it was 20% stronger. When Sinclair and Garibaldi and the security team ambushed it, it didn't fire. It burned through the ~12" thick floor and escaped. Shortly after, it hit Sinclair with the beam in a glancing blow in the left shoulder of the vest, and the vest looked singed.

It was said that after each firing it had to recharge before coming back to fire again. It's possible that after just burning a hole through a 1 foot thick metal floor, it wasn't up to full power when it shot Sinclair in the vest.

[Jan]

And just to yank this off the rails, did I mention that I've recently acquired a B5 flak jacket? Check it out at:

http://photos.b5archivist.com/GalleryFilmstrip.aspx?gallery=212359&mid=53325998&mt=Photo&ci=008

Jan

[Marsden]

Sinclair was wearing a security FLAK JACKET.

Yes, so only his head and hands should have disintigrated. I see.

[KoshN]

D'oh! Now I know, don't wear red in space, or the future. Or even now.

Sinclair was wearing a security FLAK JACKET.

[Marsden]

Ah. Inside info. What you didn't know was, those two lurkers were both wearing red shirts under the rest of their clothes.

D'oh! Now I know, don't wear red in space, or the future. Or even now.

[OmahaStar]

I do have a problem with the unit burning the 2 lurkers but later Sinclair isn't killed when hit.

Ah. Inside info. What you didn't know was, those two lurkers were both wearing red shirts under the rest of their clothes.

[Marsden]

I have always thought of TV series episodes as bad, good and great. Guess I', part Minbari. I can watch a series if the three categories are mostly evenly divided. I don't talk about another category... horrible. They don't exist because as a series approaches horrible, I depart.

That being said, Babylon 5 was the first series where I honestly thought the three categories were seriously out of balance -- in a good way. Almost no bad, some okay, and a lot of great. You would think that would make me more tolerant of the lesser episiodes, but in a perverse way, it makes me pickier, I think.

"Infection" was the "monster loose on the station/ship/base" that had been done before. It didn't bring much new, and the resolution was right out of "The Changeling" from original Trek. Then came the last last act, and you had the conversation between Garibaldi and Sinclair, and you had the artifacts being spirited off. So overall, to me, the episode was basically "bad" (nothing new), but it got lifted up to "good" by the character development at the end and a wonderful performance by David McCallum.

Likewise, for me, "TKO" seemed overdone with regard to the martial arts story line, but the Ivanova story elevated it. "Grey 17" was the monster story again, with even less connections to the arc. Also, I just couldn't believe they could lose a whole deck on a station where finding room for a couple of coffee plants was a big deal. The Ranger One story elevated that episode, though.

I've always thought that the worst episode for me was "Exogenesis". I do like Marcus and Stephen working together, but there wasn't enough character development there to elevate this one.

Again, these are my opinions, but they are not by rote. I look at those and see flaws (or lack of originality) that lessen my enjoyment. I think these are some of the same things that other people see.

Believe me, though, I don't think any less of someone who enjoys them! It all comes down to what takes you out of the moment. What breaks the willing suspension of disbelief. It also doesn't mean that I like Babylon 5 any less. It was a truly great show.

That's a great point. I understand better why someone would feel Infection was nothing new because it's been done so many times. I just thought while not unique in itself was executed rather well, I do have a problem with the unit burning the 2 lurkers but later Sinclair isn't killed when hit. That does hurt the episode, also I would have thought the outline and surrounding area of the lurkers should have been black, not the area of their silouette, basically the opposite of what was shown.

[David Panzer]

Grey Sector was a place no one really went to though full of industrial stuff. Coffee plants were taking up room in the hydroponics/airponics bay where food for the station is supposed to be grown. Different purposes different problems.

So Grey Sector was too ghetto for security

[KoshN]

As for the books, i enjoyed them all. BUT the trilogies i think were the best.

Have you read Dell #5?

[JoeD80]

In the script for "Infection" that is in the scriptbooks, they blow Nelson out of the airlock. I'm betting it was a WB note to not kill the guy.

Also, I just couldn't believe they could lose a whole deck on a station where finding room for a couple of coffee plants was a big deal.

Grey Sector was a place no one really went to though full of industrial stuff. Coffee plants were taking up room in the hydroponics/airponics bay where food for the station is supposed to be grown. Different purposes different problems.

[Milkman]

here is a sort of related comment for ya....

The episode that i would least want to watch is "Midnight on the Firing Line".

Why? Because i saw it way too many times... Due to the odd hours it was playing in my area, and strange rerun times that first season i wasn't sure i liked the show yet.... The pilot was.. interesting... and so i just caught the show when i caught it for the beginning of the first season. Every time i seemed to make an effort to watch the show it was ALWAYS that same episode. Decide to stay up until midnight on a school night to see the show, and guess what episode was on! It made no sense why that episode seemed to be played so much. Im sure it was just bad luck/timing but... now i just want to skip it. :P

As for the books, i enjoyed them all. BUT the trilogies i think were the best.

[WorkerCaste]

Answers like OmahaStar posted disturb me. He isn't the only one, of course, but there is a significant number of posters that by rote have declared certain episodes to be bad and everyone else should agree with their assessment by definition. I rather liked almost all of Infection and have never seen why it's supposed to be bad. I liked all of TKO. Grey 17... well I made a whole thread about a year or so about that. I sometimes wonder if some people even like Babylon 5 when I hear that kind of stuff.

I have always thought of TV series episodes as bad, good and great. Guess I', part Minbari. I can watch a series if the three categories are mostly evenly divided. I don't talk about another category... horrible. They don't exist because as a series approaches horrible, I depart.

That being said, Babylon 5 was the first series where I honestly thought the three categories were seriously out of balance -- in a good way. Almost no bad, some okay, and a lot of great. You would think that would make me more tolerant of the lesser episiodes, but in a perverse way, it makes me pickier, I think.

"Infection" was the "monster loose on the station/ship/base" that had been done before. It didn't bring much new, and the resolution was right out of "The Changeling" from original Trek. Then came the last last act, and you had the conversation between Garibaldi and Sinclair, and you had the artifacts being spirited off. So overall, to me, the episode was basically "bad" (nothing new), but it got lifted up to "good" by the character development at the end and a wonderful performance by David McCallum.

Likewise, for me, "TKO" seemed overdone with regard to the martial arts story line, but the Ivanova story elevated it. "Grey 17" was the monster story again, with even less connections to the arc. Also, I just couldn't believe they could lose a whole deck on a station where finding room for a couple of coffee plants was a big deal. The Ranger One story elevated that episode, though.

I've always thought that the worst episode for me was "Exogenesis". I do like Marcus and Stephen working together, but there wasn't enough character development there to elevate this one.

Again, these are my opinions, but they are not by rote. I look at those and see flaws (or lack of originality) that lessen my enjoyment. I think these are some of the same things that other people see.

Believe me, though, I don't think any less of someone who enjoys them! It all comes down to what takes you out of the moment. What breaks the willing suspension of disbelief. It also doesn't mean that I like Babylon 5 any less. It was a truly great show.

[Marsden]

It's an opinion. That's what we do here, share opinions about a subject we enjoy - B5. No one is holding a PPG to your head and saying "You must agree with everything Mitch says."

I understand, and I'm sorry if I singled you out unfairly, I'd just heard it before from others. I really didn't dislike any episodes, but I realise not everyone liked every single one. I enjoyed the books I have too, but I think I'll just stick with what I have, I think in B5 to read a non canon book is pointless.