Dialogue

[grumbler]

Originally posted by Towelmaster
....Typical jms-stuff, every now and then it hits you unexpectedly.

Very appropriate as a comment on JMS dialogue. I mean, you could easily regard Brother Edward's dialogue as eccessively narcissistic if one wanted. It is the mastercraftman writer who makes one consider everything twice.

[grumbler]

Thanks, chaostaenzer, for posting the dialogue. I started to write it up but went back to watch the rest of the ep and forgot where I was.

[Dr Maturin]

<<I would never call myself not religious, but i do not believe in god.>>

While I am not religious, I am spiritual. I believe in the Holy Bible but churches these days (and those days) are institutions of thought control and revenue.

[Towelmaster]

Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
I am not religious, either, and that episode to me was bad, BUT it could have been worse. Much worse. I have always been fuzzy on what the "message" was. Was the mind wipe a parallel for execution, and the chances of a person redeeming themselves being executed with them?

I think the key to the story comes from the anger when Brother Edward finds out what they have done. For a devout religious person not even to remember what he has done wrong, not being able to ask forgiveness because you simply do not know, must be very unsettling. What else have you done that you don't remember? Of course Brother Edward can only feel this way if he is mind-wiped first and his new 'personality' takes over. If he remains the criminal he was he will never feel the need to repent and the issue is moot. Wonderful case of "damned if you do damned if you don't".

I just thought that the dialogue was impressive and that Brad Dourif played a character that was different from the regular characters on the series.

Mind you; Just like ZHD I did not particularly like the episode either the first couple of times I saw it. I usually skipped it on the video and the DVD. Until I was in the mood and I took the time to really watch it that is... Typical jms-stuff, every now and then it hits you unexpectedly.

Anyway, sorry, off-topic perhaps. lets return to good dialogue!

[CRONAN]

A jms quote on Passing:

Thanks. That's really the intent; to get people to talk about the issues raised, and to examine the issues. We won't tell you what to think about an issue, because I don't have an answer myself...but if it made you stop and consider this stuff, and decide for yourself where you fall in the discussion, then it's done its job.

It's a hard thing to walk the line between not being effective and being heavy-handed...I think it worked quite well in that respect.

[CRONAN]

It has been discovered that the parting of the Red Sea was actually an incorrect translation of the ''Sea of Reeds''.
An excerpt:


The problem of the routes is compounded by the fact that we do not know certainly of the landmarks mentioned, including the location of Mount Sinai that plays such a pivotal role in the story. We must admit that we simply do not know from the biblical account the route of the exodus. But the fact remains that the biblical text reads "Sea of Reeds." Whatever else is debated, this fact remains and must be taken seriously. That is not speculation or conjecture or trying to do away with the Bible. It is simply a fact of the Hebrew language. And it is a fact of the biblical text in dozens of references. However the debate is discussed, the biblical text cannot be rationalized away from either direction. It cannot be dismissed as fiction, but then neither can it be used to support tradition or doctrine or even ideas about Scripture apart from what the text actually says. We must simply conclude that we do not know the point of exit of the Israelites from the land, nor do we know the route they took.

More info can be found at this link : http://www.cresourcei.org/yamsuph.html

[chaostaenzer]

I would never call myself not religious, but i do not believe in god. As for the episode, it was very moving. Brad ruled indeed but so did . The whole episode was about guilt, redemption and forgiving and one doesn't need to be religious to be moved by those topics. They are just very very human topics.

[Dr Maturin]

Originally posted by Towelmaster
It's not dialogue as such(I know I know; sorry ZHD!) but for me the most beautiful line in B5 was in "Passing through Gethsemane" :

"I always wondered if I would have had the courage to stay in the garden of Gethsemane. Now I know Theo, now I know..."

In the context of the episode I found that very moving. And here I am, I'm not even religious! Brad Ruled in that episode!

I am not religious, either, and that episode to me was bad, BUT it could have been worse. Much worse. I have always been fuzzy on what the "message" was. Was the mind wipe a parallel for execution, and the chances of a person redeeming themselves being executed with them?

Really nice use of something from the Bible nobody thinks much about, though. You think parting of the Red Sea, the Resurrection, David and Goliath, but not Gethsemane. I still need to see Passion of the Christ, which begins in the Garden, if I'm not mistaken.

[Towelmaster]

It's not dialogue as such(I know I know; sorry ZHD!) but for me the most beautiful line in B5 was in "Passing through Gethsemane" :

"I always wondered if I would have had the courage to stay in the garden of Gethsemane. Now I know Theo, now I know..."

In the context of the episode I found that very moving. And here I am, I'm not even religious! Brad Ruled in that episode!

[WorkerCaste]

If we're going to venture into Centauri's big...err...well you know what I mean, Vir's exchange with Ivanova in "Sic Transit Vir" when he's looking for advice on his love life always brings a smile to my face. Fast paced, cultural confusion and reproductive humor! What more can one ask for?

[chaostaenzer]

Londo and the Drazi ambassador alone is worth at least eight hoots on a scale of one to ten.

Londo: I told you, i have no idea what you are talking about.

Drazi Ambassador: These White Star ships have been seen on your borders, Ambassador. Our pilots...

Londo: ... Your pilots. Your pilots should have their eyes examined. I don't know how they see out of them anyway. Tiny, beady, squinty little things, aren't they?

Drazi: Ambassador!

Londo: No, the maker has not been kind to you. Must be terrible trying to fly at night without running into entire planets.

Drazi: Are you saying the Centauri do not know what ships are patrolling their borders?

Londo: Of course we know. The Maker has gifted us with great big eyes and great big scanners and great big...errr...Well that is no concern of yours.

...



It's great!

[Towelmaster]

As is that dialogue between Sheridan and the members of the Alliance.

I'd have to look it up but it went along the lines of "No, there is nothing wrong, I have no idea what you're talking about, if I were to tell you all the things that aren't we'd be here all day..."

Good fun-acting that.

And a good question for "Name the episode".

[grumbler]

Originally posted by NotKosh
[B] Another great exchange I love is the fencing between Delenn and Neroon in Rumors, Bargains and Lies with
"Is that a compliment?" "After a fashion".

Agreed. That entire episode has some of the best dialogue of the whole series.

Londo and the Drazi ambassador alone is worth at least eight hoots on a scale of one to ten.

[Capt.Montoya]

Originally posted by Towelmaster


It's not worth starting a new thread for so :

slightly off-topic : You all know the Kosh-saying "The avalanche has started and it is too late for the pebbles to vote"...

I just came across this one in the latest Discworld (Monstrous Regiment) :

"If the landslide is big enough even square pebbles will roll"...

Synchronicity baby, synchronicity...

/off-topic

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Dice throwing on Discworld must be quite unpopular if you have to wait for an avalanche to play...
(Couldn't resist)
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Someone beat me to posting Ivanova's trash talking to Clarke's Shadow-hybrid fleet... love that answer she gave.

[Towelmaster]

It's not worth starting a new thread for so :

slightly off-topic : You all know the Kosh-saying "The avalanche has started and it is too late for the pebbles to vote"...

I just came across this one in the latest Discworld (Monstrous Regiment) :

"If the landslide is big enough even square pebbles will roll"...

Synchronicity baby, synchronicity...

/off-topic