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  • #31
    Aside from the aforementioned films, new "Serious" music just...isn't there. Big city and university radio may have a station or day or time slot devoted to it, but I couldn't name anyone besides the movie guys because it just isn't marketed like rock or played like classic rock. So I stick with the "classical" music.
    Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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    • #32
      All right already!

      Gee, what a bunch of vipers!

      What do you do to your friends, eat them alive?

      I don't think I've ever encountered a more mean spirited bunch of unpleasant people in my life. Not the sort I'd want to be stuck in an elevator with.

      And Amy, my dear precious ever so experienced Amy, grow up! I visited your web site and viewed your photos. For someone who spouts off about having a lifetime of experience blah, blah, blah, with the most esteemed professionals in the world, you must have started your alleged carreer 20 years before you were born! Your photos show a girl of about 25 at the most. So, don't presume to lecture me about experience and professionalism. I out rank you on age alone. I have to be older than your father.



      One thing is constant: the cultural gap between the musically informed and the uninformed is as great now or worse than it was when I was earning my degree in music.

      Opinion and taste are negotiable - that is not the question and I have no argument with a person who offers an "opinion" as such. A person who makes a false statement of "fact" had better be prepared to back up that statement or look like an idiot. This forum is inhabited by numerous loud mouthed idiots.
      Michael Malloy

      Never forget:

      Moscow; Beslan 2004
      Kosovo: 1999, 2004
      New York City: September 11, 2001
      Smyrna: September 9, 1922

      http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/hb-title.html
      Armenian Genocide in Turkey: 1915-1917
      http://www.armenian-genocide.org/

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Michael Malloy
        All right already!

        Gee, what a bunch of vipers!

        What do you do to your friends, eat them alive?

        I don't think I've ever encountered a more mean spirited bunch of unpleasant people in my life. Not the sort I'd want to be stuck in an elevator with.
        Michael, may I point out that with only 8 posts from you conversations have gone sour twice already? I think the common denominator is...you. Maybe you should calm down a little and get to know us better?

        And Amy, my dear precious ever so experienced Amy, grow up! I visited your web site and viewed your photos. For someone who spouts off about having a lifetime of experience blah, blah, blah, with the most esteemed professionals in the world, you must have started your alleged carreer 20 years before you were born! Your photos show a girl of about 25 at the most. So, don't presume to lecture me about experience and professionalism. I out rank you on age alone. I have to be older than your father.
        You didn't intend it, but you just paid her a compliment. Take my word for it, Amy's regularly mistaken for *much* younger than she is. I know, because I was mistaken for her *mother* at DragonCon!

        Opinion and taste are negotiable - that is not the question and I have no argument with a person who offers an "opinion" as such. A person who makes a false statement of "fact" had better be prepared to back up that statement or look like an idiot. This forum is inhabited by numerous loud mouthed idiots.
        Why not just assume that anything you read here is an opinion unless it's backed up by some form of verifiable evidence? It'd sure be easier on all of us if you didn't go on the attack every time you disagree with something, which, IMO, is exactly what you've been doing. Being fans of the B5 universe doesn't mean we have to adore every single component.


        Jan
        "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Michael Malloy
          All right already!

          Gee, what a bunch of vipers!

          What do you do to your friends, eat them alive?

          I don't think I've ever encountered a more mean spirited bunch of unpleasant people in my life. Not the sort I'd want to be stuck in an elevator with.


          [ ... mean spirited personal comments removed ... ]

          One thing is constant: the cultural gap between the musically informed and the uninformed is as great now or worse than it was when I was earning my degree in music.

          Opinion and taste are negotiable - that is not the question and I have no argument with a person who offers an "opinion" as such. A person who makes a false statement of "fact" had better be prepared to back up that statement or look like an idiot. This forum is inhabited by numerous loud mouthed idiots.
          Loud mouthed?
          Of course, and opinionated too.
          Idiots? I don't think so... I think most members of this board are quite smart (OK, not all).

          I've never perceived comments like those in this thread as mean spirited... maybe you are taking each word way too seriously.

          Jan is right, you need to calm down and not take every proferred opinion as a statement of fact.

          I see this as a raucous bunch, always ready to post differing opinions (sometimes even backing them up by facts!). Maybe you are used to posting in forums where people have much more uniform opinions and always give references and links to back them up, but that certainly is not the case here (other than quotes of JMS posts on B5 topics). Posting disagreements and dissenting opinions has been the norm, but I don't think most of us take it personally...
          This is more of an informal conversation forum than a forum for scholars of music (or any other topic).

          As for the cultural gap between the (whatever)ly informed and the uninformed... it will always exist. E.g. for me as a scientist the cultural gap between the scientifically informed and the uninformed seems too vast and ever growing.
          The only way to bridge it is if the informed help educate the uninformed, respectfully, without snobbishness...

          If you want to help educate this forum on music I'd love to read such contribution.
          Such... is the respect paid to science that the most absurd opinions may become current, provided they are expressed in language, the sound of which recalls some well-known scientific phrase
          James Clerk Maxwell (1831-79)

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          • #35
            I don't think I've ever encountered a more mean spirited bunch of unpleasant people in my life.
            Really? A good number of the posters here seem to me to be far nicer than in a vast multitude of other places on the net and in the real world.

            I out rank you on age alone.
            "A man that is young in years may be old in hours if he have lost no time." -- Francis Bacon

            Age is a guarantee in neither wisdom nor experience.

            And personally, I think the citation of age in attempt to discredit someone is immature.

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            • #36
              <<I think most members of this board are quite smart (OK, not all).>>

              I resent that!

              Uh, were you talking about me?
              Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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              • #37
                "Michael, may I point out that with only 8 posts from you conversations have gone sour twice already? I think the common denominator is...you. Maybe you should calm down a little and get to know us better?"

                So...my whole life experience can be summed up in the 8 posts you "know?" me from on this forum?

                And you call me jugemental?

                I'd be a lot less inclinded to complain if I didn't find myself pecked to death every time I post on this forum.

                There is more to life than finding every possible fault in every person one encounters.

                Some of you might try it some time. It's a lot more enjoyable way to live.
                Michael Malloy

                Never forget:

                Moscow; Beslan 2004
                Kosovo: 1999, 2004
                New York City: September 11, 2001
                Smyrna: September 9, 1922

                http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/hb-title.html
                Armenian Genocide in Turkey: 1915-1917
                http://www.armenian-genocide.org/

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by AislingGrey


                  So, my guess is that most of you here - those posting from the US, anyway - can't name more than three composers of serious music born in the 20th century, _offhand_ (i.e. you're not allowed to look it up). Why? Because most casual American music listeners have a penchant for the melodic, sweet sounds of the classical and romantic periods, and have a very hard time with the unusual tonalities of 20th (and 21st) century music.
                  Crap.

                  I can come up with
                  Shostakovich
                  Frank Zappa
                  Philip Glass
                  Kitaro

                  Then I defer to my soundtrack knowledge

                  John L. Williams (lets grab a bunch of Holst for Star Wars)
                  Basil Poledouris (by far my favorite. see the Conan and Les Miserables soundtracks)
                  Hans Zimmer
                  Jerry Goldsmith (serious genius here. I can not under-recommend 13th Warrior soundtrack)


                  ...currently listening to the Gladiator soundtrack.

                  PS. While I did find Chen different and dissonant at first, expecting Franke, I did grow to accept and appreciate it to a degree. Similar music, but not Chen (I believe), in the new Battlestar Galactica mini-series.
                  Last edited by NotKosh; 09-15-2004, 08:50 PM.
                  "I am not a number! I am a free man!"

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                  • #39
                    If you want to be a music critic, go earn a degree in music.
                    Gee. I always thought that Critics were composed of the people who Flunked Out of the profession they denigrate.

                    what a bunch of vipers!
                    With or without Pits ??

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                    • #40
                      <<(serious genius here. I can not under-recommend 13th Warrior soundtrack)>>

                      Is that the movie based on Michael Crichton's novel Eaters of the Dead?
                      Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                      • #41
                        to Michael Malloy:
                        I┤m also a newbe here, but I can┤t understand your style of using words. I think, they are very crude. And I┤m not sure, if you are reading the posts really exact, maybe ┤cause of your anger.
                        For example I don┤t think Jan means, what you are interpret. I think, if you are longer here in this forum, You would learn, that the most here seem to be VERY nice and helpful people. And I would be glad, to be with them in an elevator or where ever.
                        And for me, it┤s not a sign/proof for life-experience and age-authority to use sentenes like `What do you do to your friends, eat them alive?`My 8-year old son would not use such kind of formulation.
                        And about degrees....
                        I┤ve worked 20 years in a company for special versions ( mass events) as the production chef/leader (?), I can┤t find the correct translation. I started as a normal worker, after a short time I was (repeated) promoted, without been (in the beginning) a specialist. I was the youngest of all and the only female in this position working often 78 hours each week.....
                        The most orders were, when other companys with so called `studied persons/specialists┤ managed their projects, failed ( after 1 year time for realising the project) and cry 3 days for the official ending-time for help. We never failed in this years and my colleaugues/collaborators aren┤t studied, but all self-made specialists with really great energie, always willing to learn more and also to look in other spheres, to learn other kinds of handling situations/problems....
                        The most of my friends and all of my adult relatives are studied, and I don┤t think, that all studied persons are stupied, chaotic or whatever, but the most stupied situation I┤ve ever seen, based on studied persons with some students. They nailed an 100m wire with 120 lines with thick nails on the floor ┤cause they can┤t find a tape to fix it. 2 hours later was a concert for really many persons, it was very funny (ironic). The best? They think, the wire wasn┤t o.k. and complained it.
                        And about non-specialists: I know it is a cute film... but have you ever seen `Lorenzo┤s Oil`? Also a non-studied person can learn/find out more about a thema then the best specialsit, or?
                        I think, a friendly formulation is the best way, to declare an opinion, so the possibility, that the other person can share it, is higher ( an angry person hears maybe not , what you try to say), or?
                        Bye and have a nice day.

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                        • #42
                          English - German

                          Originally posted by searching girl

                          I┤ve worked 20 years in a company for special versions ( mass events) as the production chef/leader (?), I can┤t find the correct translation.
                          I think manager is the word you are looking for.

                          And BTW, chef means Koch/K÷chin in English.

                          An interesting view of your life!

                          /I am Sheridan
                          Interstellar Alliance - Sweden's largest Babylon 5-club
                          http://www.babcon.org/

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by FuryPilot
                            Remember all the "I hate Sheridan" and "man this season sucks" posts we all waded through when B5 was on the air?

                            I put most "I hate the Crusade music" complaints in the same round bin.
                            Sometimes I'm really happy that I finally decided to register in this forums... because I simply cannot hear that argument any more. I really think that the Chen-Situation is different.

                            I for one never hated Sheridan, I never thought "this season sucks" and (to conquer JMS thoughts on that topic) also never thought the Music of Chris Franke sucked... and I've seen A Call to Arms about 5 times now, and it has ALWAYS been a painful experience. It's not about giving chances, it not an objection on trying new things... I just can't stand that "music". Yes, Chen's work was better in Crusade (and even there I would prefer Franke's music), but that doesn't make his composition for "ActA" any better...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by M. Malloy

                              One thing is constant: the cultural gap between the musically informed and the uninformed is as great now or worse than it was when I was earning my degree in music.
                              You should expect to be burned right down to the ground for making assumptions without a shred of information to base them on. Several people have already informed you of their musical experience, let me add to that :

                              - 12 years of classical piano and organ lessons as well as musictheory from when I was aged 6.

                              - Recording composer since I was 13.

                              - 25 years of band-experience mostly setting up the bands myself to express specific musical styles.

                              - Recording artist for several years.

                              - Composer/lyricswriter for other artists as well as for soundtracks for documentaries.

                              - Can play piano, organ, synthesizers, guitar, bassguitar. clarinet and anything that can be controlled by a computer(rhythm-machines, sequencers, etcetera).

                              So please inform yourself before you post nonsense-statements. Thank you.

                              - Anybody can judge music without invalidating it. The trick is not to mind when it comes from laymen. But if you do not want people to judge music then Do Not Ever Play It Before An Audience! This has nothing to do with music-knowledge. Your remark about having to have a musical degree before you can judge music is the ultimate proof that you did not even think when you published your posting.


                              This forum is inhabited by numerous loud mouthed idiots.
                              Yes, I just anwered a posting of one of them.
                              Last edited by Towelmaster; 09-16-2004, 03:15 AM.
                              "En wat als tijd de helft van echtheid was, was alles dan dubbelsnel verbaal?"

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Michael Malloy
                                "Michael, may I point out that with only 8 posts from you conversations have gone sour twice already? I think the common denominator is...you. Maybe you should calm down a little and get to know us better?"

                                So...my whole life experience can be summed up in the 8 posts you "know?" me from on this forum?

                                And you call me jugemental?
                                Strawman argument. I never claimed to know you. What I referred to is 8 posts and what's happened as a result of them.

                                I'd be a lot less inclinded to complain if I didn't find myself pecked to death every time I post on this forum.

                                There is more to life than finding every possible fault in every person one encounters.

                                Some of you might try it some time. It's a lot more enjoyable way to live.
                                Perhaps if you try being less aggressive? After all, it was you who seemed to be declaring that no opinion on music was valid without being a musician and/or having a degree. Then when somebody actually had credentials you dismissed, belittled and inadvertently complimented her while showing yourself to be an ageist. If that wasn't what you wanted to present then your posts weren't phrased well.

                                We want people to post and to have opinions but it might be wise to remember that there's no Only Way to Be or Only Way to Think here.

                                One way to start a really good conversation is to simply ask people why they think or feel the way they do. So why not tell us why you like the Chen music? Do you prefer it to Chris Franke's?

                                Jan
                                "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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