3 questions that started to bother me the last time around wathing B5

[Capt.Montoya]

Originally posted by Radhil
Did someone spike the punch lately around here?

Or is this just testing the humor limits of our new moderators?

*shakes head* Bizarre folk 'round these here parts....

I think it's just that we're getting comfortable towards each other... maybe too comfy!

[Radhil]

Did someone spike the punch lately around here?

Or is this just testing the humor limits of our new moderators?

*shakes head* Bizarre folk 'round these here parts....

[Dr Maturin]

Originally posted by Capt.Montoya
Mmhhh, you mean Centauri "Six" used in Macrame like ways?
They must have been influenced by "the ancient art of genital origami" ( http://www.puppetryofthepenis.com/ )
" " indeed, from what little I've heard, I think watching such art would be painful... just hearing about it brings distress to my "mivonks."


If they actually make it all in threesomes, I wonder... do the Minbari think Delenn is a pervert by coupling only with John? Maybe that's why Lenier kept hope?

With all the Minbari rituals, who said Lennier never nailed her, anyway? Maybe that's why he has a perfect, pure love for her. He's sprung on the P.

BTW, Montoya, saying "puppetry of the penis" makes me laugh my ass off. That is quite an interesting phrase indeed.

[Capt.Montoya]

Originally posted by bakana
Since, for the Minbari, Three is Normal, Porno would have to involve Other numeric values...

Just as, for the Centauri, Macrame is considered Pornographic...:

Mmhhh, you mean Centauri "Six" used in Macrame like ways?
They must have been influenced by "the ancient art of genital origami" ( http://www.puppetryofthepenis.com/ )
" " indeed, from what little I've heard, I think watching such art would be painful... just hearing about it brings distress to my "mivonks."


If they actually make it all in threesomes, I wonder... do the Minbari think Delenn is a pervert by coupling only with John? Maybe that's why Lenier kept hope?

[bakana]

a crystal of the hottest Minbari porno...All is Three.

Since, for the Minbari, Three is Normal, Porno would have to involve Other numeric values...

Just as, for the Centauri, Macrame is considered Pornographic...

[Dr Maturin]

Re: He probably has a crystal of the hottest Minbari porno

Originally posted by mdm1789
What about centauri porn ? bet it is freaky



mdm1789

I've about worn out my tape of Senna Does Centauri Prime.

[mdm1789]

He probably has a crystal of the hottest Minbari porno




What about centauri porn ? bet it is freaky



mdm1789

[AmyG]

Similarly when Rathenn (I think that's the name) visits the station in "Points of Departure"

Nope, that was Hedronn. Well, they don't actually name him in PoD, but the Grey Council member that Robin Sachs has portrayed elsewhere is Hedronn.

Aisling

(Whoops - I see I was late to the party on this one. Mea culpa.)

[Dr Maturin]

<<Z'h'd D:
LOL...
Do you think Max Eilerson was into those Minbari/Vorlon materials?>>

Probably, but you have to be Vorlon or telepathic to experience the "reflections." The Minbari thing...you know Max...most likely. He probably has a crystal of the hottest Minbari porno...All is Three.

[B5_Obsessed]

Originally posted by Joseph DeMartino
Such Minbari as do visit are probably at pains not to arrive in war cruisers. Interesting quotes from JMS. Still doesn't explain why the triangle thingy is perfectly visible for no good reason when the guy is reminding Delenn of her orders to kill Sinclair, or why it almost never appears at any later point.

Regards,

Joe

I know. That's why I noted the discrepancy. JMS may have decided to drop it for some of the same reasons posted here; namely that a permanent mark on your forehead makes you very conspicuous, and that a sometimes visible Shadow-detector on your forehead only serves to alert your enemies that you're on to them. They should have implanted the things in the palms of their hands or something.

As an aside, I think JMS even mentioned somewhere that the triangle did not survive Delenn's transformation.

[Joseph DeMartino]

When Neroon visits the station, it is the first time they've seen a Sharlin cruiser since the end of the Earth-Minbari War.

Such Minbari as do visit are probably at pains not to arrive in war cruisers. Interesting quotes from JMS. Still doesn't explain why the triangle thingy is perfectly visible for no good reason when the guy is reminding Delenn of her orders to kill Sinclair, or why it almost never appears at any later point.

Regards,

Joe

[B5_Obsessed]

Originally posted by Joseph DeMartino
1. Who's the Minbari with the strange eyes and the forhead mark in Delenn's quarters in And The Sky Full of Stars?

A member of the Grey Council. The "mark" is a triangle, probably a symbolic representation of a triluminary, possibly a device of some sort, and almost certainly a recognition signal between members of the Council. The Minbari version of a gang tattoo. There would have been no problem getting him aboard B5. IIRC the names and faces of members of the Council are not even known to most Minbari, and they certainly wouldn't be recognized as such by any aliens. (Nor do I think they list "Grey Council" under "occupation" on their passports. Certainly Delenn doesn't. ) As far as anyone on B5 was concerned he would have been just another Minbari. Similarly when Rathenn (I think that's the name) visits the station in "Points of Departure" he is travelling undercover. Sheridan correctly deduces that he's Grey Council, but nobody ever says so out loud.

Regards,

Joe

I was making a joke by saying that a guy with a big blue triangle on his head is going to attract some attention. However, if the triangle on the forehead was meant to be a permanent mark of the Grey Council, then that detail may have gotten out, just like Sinclair learns from the computer that the word Satai denotes a memeber of the Grey Council. But you're right, the man would have to travel under a false identity. He'd also need a false pretense to get appointment with Delenn in Green Sector, since it is restricted to diplomatic personnel.

And I could be wrong, but I believe there were a whole lot less Minbari visiting the station during Season 1 than in later years. When Neroon visits the station, it is the first time they've seen a Sharlin cruiser since the end of the Earth-Minbari War.

Rathenn was Sinclair's secretary in "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" and seen in "War Without End, Part 1", I believe. The Grey Council member in "Points of Departure" is named Hedronn I believe, although he gets renamed Coplann (a joke on John Copeland) for "In the Beginning". Robin Sachs played the role and was the one speaking to Delenn at the Battle of the Line in both cases.

[B5_Obsessed]

Not, I think, a Shadow detector per se. It is exactly the same triangle symbol/device/tatoo that the unnamed Grey Council member mentioned in question 1 displayed when he was talking to Delenn - and there were certainly no Shadows about then. Making the symbol visible appears to be a matter of choice. The GC member displayed it deliberately. Delenn is clearly surprised when she feels it appear spontaneously during her interview with Morden. She seems to deduce that it sudden, uncontrolled appearance (together with her vision of Morden's face obscured by shadow) indicates that the Shadows are near-by, but not know it for a fact or detect his "associates" (Whereas Kosh later is actually speaking to the associates and ignoring Morden altogether.)

Regards,

Joe [/B]

From JMSNews:

"In SaP, when Mr. morden visits Delenn, what was that glowing triangle?"

It's something the Grey Council have that allows them to sense
the arrival of the Shadows and their minions.


jms

That would be a Shadow detector, per se.

And this:

The triangle only manifests itself for specific reasons, at specific times, neither of which were appropriate to that moment.

jms

So it is not a matter of choice.

And this:

Basically, yeah, it senses the presence of the Shadows
themselves... hence her comment, "They're back," even though we see only Morden.

jms

Delenn knew for a fact that Morden's associates were with him.
Her look of shock would've been because after 1000 years of legends, it was really happening, to her right in her quarters. The fact that she was caught so off guard is her only justification for yelling at Morden to get out. It might have gotten her killed.

[Capt.Montoya]

I wonder if Morden's associates in that episode were the same ones that later had a much bigger fight with Kosh...
Unintended foreshadowing
It was good background info that the Shadows and Vorlons are similarly powerful.

Z'h'd D:
LOL...
Do you think Max Eilerson was into those Minbari/Vorlon materials?

[Dr Maturin]

You guys got it all wrong.

<<1. Who's the Minbari with the strange eyes and the forhead mark in Delenn's quarters in And The Sky Full of Stars?>>

Bob.

<<2. Why did exactly Kosh want the reflections of Talia in Deathwalker? I think Garibaldi mentions something about them later on, but still I'm in the dark about the whole thing.>>

It is a sort of Minbari pornography. Instead of pictures, they experience "reflections" of a "centerfold." Lyta was the big starlet on Vorlon homeworld.

<<3. When Morden comes in to Delenn's quarters there's a mark on Delenn's forhead ... what is it? The episode is Signs and Portents.>>

A gay rights organization symbol. Delenn is a member.