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    Well we've heard that Lennier dies during the telepath war, and there was a scene hinting at that in the Crusade script Path of Sorrows, but jms elaborated slightly more on his facebook:

    Originally posted by jms
    Lennier dies during the telepath war to save Sheridan's life and thus reclaim his honor and atone to Delenn for his actions.
    So Lennier does get his redemption after all.

  • #2
    I always thought that he managed to redeem himself before the end. His was only a passing darkness.
    Jonas Kyratzes | Lands of Dream

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    • #3
      I always figured you would die saving Delenn or Sheridan. Curious to see how many PSI Corps agents he took with him or if he faced off against Bester or just took a pps shot for him. Damn JMS for doing this.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lotjx View Post
        I always figured you would die saving Delenn or Sheridan. Curious to see how many PSI Corps agents he took with him or if he faced off against Bester or just took a pps shot for him. Damn JMS for doing this.
        It sounds like what JMS posted might be an expansion on what we might have seen on Crusade if Pat Tallman had been on "The Path of Sorrows" as was originally planned. In it, Lyta would have been the telepath that Matheson helped and there would have been a scene where she would have shouted his name and we'd have seen the back of a Minbari fighting just before the explosion that took out the Mars Psi Corps headquarters.

        Jan
        "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jan View Post
          It sounds like what JMS posted might be an expansion on what we might have seen on Crusade if Pat Tallman had been on "The Path of Sorrows" as was originally planned. In it, Lyta would have been the telepath that Matheson helped and there would have been a scene where she would have shouted his name and we'd have seen the back of a Minbari fighting just before the explosion that took out the Mars Psi Corps headquarters.

          Jan
          That scene makes me think that is how Lyta escaped the destruction of the base. Lennier brought the land transport and the two simply drove away.

          Lennier dying to save Sheridan, that is a scene we have not seen yet.
          Andrew Swallow

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          • #6
            The thing is, will we EVER know for sure:

            1. What happened to Lennier, and how he died.
            2. What happened to Lyta and how she died.
            3. How Crusade was resolved.
            ?

            Of the above three things, the first two could be told/shown in a feature film of "Babylon 5 - The Telepath War" IF Warner Brothers EVER puts up the bucks to do it AND promote it, and I doubt that they will. As for #3, the best we can hope for is a spoiler dump, not anything that remotely resembles storytelling.
            Mac Breck (KoshN)
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            Warner Brothers is Lucy.
            JMS and we fans are collectively Charlie Brown.
            Babylon 5 is the football.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KoshN View Post
              1. What happened to Lennier
              Go back to beginning of thread, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

              Originally posted by KoshN View Post
              and how he died.
              2. What happened to Lyta and how she died.
              I recall the outline for "Wars of the Mind" saying something about a fiery death, but I don't have the Movies script book in front of me currently to confirm those words.

              Originally posted by KoshN View Post
              3. How Crusade was resolved.
              I think we might learn more of this in the Crusade scriptbooks.

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              • #8
                Book III of the PSI Corp trilogy gives hints that Bester barley survived Lyta's last trick which apperantly cost her life. I doubt the trick was in Path of Sorrow. Also, in the same book, Bester comments about how well the Excaliber book is selling after they found a cure. I doubt JMS would let those parts stay in the book if it wasn't close to being right. Of course, I have no idea if he had say in that book or not. Its pretty bad book to be honest, Mein Kempf for Beter is how it reads.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lotjx View Post
                  I doubt JMS would let those parts stay in the book if it wasn't close to being right. Of course, I have no idea if he had say in that book or not. Its pretty bad book to be honest, Mein Kempf for Beter is how it reads.
                  JMS wrote the outlines for all three of the trilogies and had much more input than he did with the earlier books (except, of course, the one written by the then-Mrs. JMS).

                  I found them to be very well written.

                  Jan
                  "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                  • #10
                    SPOILERS!!!!


                    PSI Corp Book One was amazing probably the best of the B5 books. It was great, because it wasn't locked into any real continuity and felt fresh. Book II was ok because it filled in the blanks of Bester was doing during the five year run. Yet, we already knew some of what Bester was doing. Book III to me was a disaster. Turning Bester into a sympathatic hero, Garibaldi is written like a mad man and the idea that no one would know recongize Bester with a beard was almost as bad as Superman wearing glasses to be Clark Kent. The other problem was making the woman who was loyal to Clark, a good person and yet, her sister who sided with Sheridan is a bad person. It was really odd. I also hated the statue part that was rather needless.

                    The Technomage series started off well then seem to get a bit unhinged at the end. I am not a big fan of throwing characters into moments we see on screen, but we never see them. The whole Anna Sheridan thing felt tacted on. If it was anyone else, but Anna in the Shadow Ship, I would have been cool with it. It was way too much of people doing things in the background to make up from some oversights on the show.

                    The Centauri Trilogy is the best of the bunch. Picture perfect and one of the best stories written in the B5 universe. I want this to be done either in a graphic novel or an animated movie or something. Absolutly beautiful.

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