Movie Box set Uk!! screwed again?

[Dr Maturin]

<<but given that he probably doesn't want to bite, nibble or gnarl on the hand that's feeding him millions of dollars to produce a B5 film right now>>

As I said in my earlier post...he doesn't need to piss off WB in ANY WAY right now. Cut and dry.

[cornholio1980]

Originally posted by WRTWORTHY
Of course you dont, and why should you? at the end of the day, you have all your seasons and Boxs sets and everything is ok and fine and just dleayed a ickle bit, however over here, just seems like some mad stuff is going on and it feels a bit unfiar to be honset

Ok, so I'm from Austria, and because I like the german dubbed versions I kinda rely on the german release, and there where many things that went wrong over here, more than in England:

1.) YOU got the superior Special Edition of "The Gathering" on DVD, while in Germany, until now only the old version was released (and I don't think this will ever change).

2.) We got a GREAT cover for "The Gathering", just follow this link

3.) When there was a problem with the effect shots in "And the Sky full of stars" (all scenes with CGI looked kinda weird because they didn't crop the images and simply converted them to 16:9), German Fans complained... to no effect. Englisch fans complained... and Warner reacted. For 2 weeks after Warner England agreed to an exchange, it wasn't even sure if german fans would also get fixed DVD's, because Warner Germany hoped that no one over here would care. If the englisch fans wouldn't have reacted that strongly, nothing would have changed, no matter how many german fans would have spoken out on that matter.

EDIT: One mistake I completely forgot:
4.) The 4th season had the absolutely great title "Die Befreiung von Proxima 3" (The Liberation of Proxima 3), since that was the german title for the episode "No surrender, no retreat"./EDIT

What I want to point out is: Yes, some things went wrong with the englisch releases, but EVEN MORE things went wrong over here. But do I accuse JMS of anything? Am I constantly bitching around about this stuff? HELL NO! JMS cannot be held responsible for whatever mistakes Warner makes with their DVD releases. He may be sympathetic with us, but there isn't really anything he can do.

Furthermore: We live in a free world. And unlike the german fans who usually are in need of the german dubbed version of the show, englisch fans have NO DISADVANTAGES when they choose to buy the R1-release.

I write this to make clear that there are many people out there who sympathize with you and the issues that you raise, but who just don't agree with your assumptions and accusations. Who are, even with all the mistakes and the long waiting, really happy that Warner releases the DVD's in their home country. I also want to show you that there are fans out there who actually get treated much worse than the ones living in England. And I want to make sure that you understand that not everybody who does not support your accusations does so because he lives in wonderwonderland where everyone is just so happy and everything is fine, at least when it comes to B5 (an assessment that I really find rather offensive, since the B5-community is really known for sticking together, no matter if they are living in the US, the UK, France, Germany, Australia, wherever...), but that this is rather simply due to differing opinions.

Note: Not everyone that doesn't agree with you is an egoistic a**hole...

FAITH MANAGES
cornholio1980

[DGTWoodward]

Originally posted by Telemachos
WRTWORTHY, nobody's saying you don't have the right to be frustrated -- simply that you're not being productive about it at all.

Write a letter to whoever distributes the R2 releases; that's the only way to make sure that your opinion is heard by someone who has the slightest influence over the decision.

Perfect advice. I think that now makes it that just about everyone on theses forums has tried to give sound advice on this thread. Will it be listened to, I wonder?

Let's call this one closed?

[Telemachos]

WRTWORTHY, nobody's saying you don't have the right to be frustrated -- simply that you're not being productive about it at all.

Write a letter to whoever distributes the R2 releases; that's the only way to make sure that your opinion is heard by someone who has the slightest influence over the decision.

[WRTWORTHY]

thats Fair, and If i was in the same postion, I would probley have the same answer, at the end of the day, do you really care? Of course you dont, and why should you? at the end of the day, you have all your seasons and Boxs sets and everything is ok and fine and just dleayed a ickle bit, however over here, just seems like some mad stuff is going on and it feels a bit unfiar to be honset

[Capt.Montoya]

WRT pointlessness

My best wishes for you to find happiness in the things that matter and for any future B5 related releases to be up to your standards WRTWORTHY...
I'd still look for your opinions on any other topic, just not when you complain.
Just remember that silence doesn't mean acquiescence...

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With Respect To pointlessness...

I said it in a different thread: I can't sympathize with WRTWORTHY anymore, because he only comes in to complain.
(Note: this comment is not true for anyone else, I think some got the wrong impression I also referred to them with that, I didn't and I'm not. I sympathize with the problems the EU fans are going through, I don't sympathize with the way one fan expresses on those issues)

I could comment on more of WRTWORTHY's points, but it's pointless.

The facts are there, for anyone willing to learn them, but some people won't let any fact stand on the way of their opinions...

Sometimes replying may be necessary WRT representing the truth, but it certainly is not a WORTHY endeavour when replying to people that refuse to acknowledge any point of view differing from theirs...

[WRTWORTHY]

I suspose I should of expected you guys to nit pick, I dont care if you think JSM is not inloved, but he should come out and state his displeasure, but hey why should he care about his EU fans huh? probley dont b ring much money in for him anyway!

[Joseph DeMartino]

And the reason JMS is able to post information about US DVD releases is that those are the first one produced (by Warner Home Video in Burbank) and they're the ones that he records the commentaries for and approves the artwork for. WHV in the U.S. actually keeps him in the loop, and he's able to pass along information to fans. (Although even then he doe NOT announce information while it is still under embargo. He didn't tell us the first season DVDs were coming until a third party broke the embargo. He didn't give us the R1 release date until Amazon.com accidentally posted it. He told us that the movie set and Crusade were coming, but not the dates.

So this statement:

Just seems mad that he announces DVD's but only for US.

Is simply, factually, WRONG. This is not a matter of degree or opinion or something we can "agree to disagee on". JMS never did what you assert he did, and doesn't have the power (as CE repeated above) that you claim he does. You keep asserting things ("it is JMS's show", "JMS announces the R1 DVD releases") that are untrue, unsupported by anything except your own idiosyncratic belief and then you build an argument on these unthruths. And your response when your mistakes are pointed out is to repeat your (emotional) argument. This is simply not rational behvior.

Regards,

Joe

[colonyearth]

Originally posted by WRTWORTHY
Ok all, Im back, ok, I am angry, I perfectly in my right to be, However I think we are going to have to disagree about the fact Jms is not involved in this problem, Just seems mad that he announces DVD's but only for US.

The Whole R1 and R2 argument, I THINK your missing the Entire Point, this about the PrincipleÆs of the whole thing, not if I can do it not, Yes I can get R1 but thatÆs not the point, we should have in R2. if you people cant see that well...your watching the wrong show (as B5 is all about Principals, and not going to argue this point either)

Oh and to add salt to the wound, I pop into HMV and you never guess what, they have SEASON 1 in the season 4 box style, Season 1 in now in separate boxes.....I would not mind but ive not long brought the dame thing and now they have changed it!! for goodness shake, how much more can they screw up releasing the DVD!!

Wrtwrothy,

Once more allow someone with knowledge of the entertainment industry and how it works to finally and without reservation let you know:

JMS has not one ounce of control over the DVD's...he doesn't and never will...he has no control over WHV or WB in general...he can state publicly his displeasure over such things, but given that he probably doesn't want to bite, nibble or gnarl on the hand that's feeding him millions of dollars to produce a B5 film right now...don't expect him to jump up and down and pitch a hissy fit over this. But even if he DID, IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFFERENCE! JMS has not the tiniest bit of power over this situation. So STOP BLAMING HIM!!!!!!

So...did I make that pretty clear? Yeah...that was...um...pretty...um...plain spoken. He should understand that one....right?

Right?

Guys...?


*CE looks around to find no one in sight*

Hello?



CE

[Doktor]

Zzzzzzzz.......zzzzzzzzzz.........zzzzzzzzz....... ...zzzzzzzzz.......

[WRTWORTHY]

Ok all, Im back, ok, I am angry, I perfectly in my right to be, However I think we are going to have to disagree about the fact Jms is not involved in this problem, Just seems mad that he announces DVD's but only for US.

The Whole R1 and R2 argument, I THINK your missing the Entire Point, this about the PrincipleÆs of the whole thing, not if I can do it not, Yes I can get R1 but thatÆs not the point, we should have in R2. if you people cant see that well...your watching the wrong show (as B5 is all about Principals, and not going to argue this point either)

Oh and to add salt to the wound, I pop into HMV and you never guess what, they have SEASON 1 in the season 4 box style, Season 1 in now in separate boxes.....I would not mind but ive not long brought the dame thing and now they have changed it!! for goodness shake, how much more can they screw up releasing the DVD!!

[Bonehead]

But the exact opposite is true of European film and game releases, so i would argue it is in the nature of the business(es) and not in the nature of the "Americans."

Yeah, as I said, I guess its swings and roundabouts.

There is, however, a priority for other countries to release to the American market first, in many things. The obvious examples are computer games, that I mentioned before. A lot of the big ones come from Japan, and America is usually playing the new releases while the Europeans are just reading about them.

Technology in general is always readily available in America before we've even heard of it. (A prime example would be broadband thats only just finally bcoming available across the uk)

But at the end of the day I put it down to the simplist common denominator. America is a gazillion times bigger than Britain, or a lot of Europe. If I was going to sell my product, I would hit the places where I could make the most money first.

And your right, its the nature of business sadly.

[grumbler]

Originally posted by Bonehead
From cinema releases to computer game releases, Europe usually gets it last, or a crappier version, or both. Heck, even as a kid I remember the European toys were always marketed and packaged different from the American ones. Almost as though we were not quite so intelligent and needed simpler versions.

But the exact opposite is true of European film and game releases, so i would argue it is in the nature of the business(es) and not in the nature of the "Americans."

I always keep this discussion in mind when being reminded on other boards of how "tunnel-visioned" Yanks are.

[circularREASON]

I can't understand what all the fuss is about really.

We already have DVD releases of TG and ITB.

Personally I can do without 2 copies of these.

Alright the 2 I have don't have the commentaries but I will get the 3 disc release anyway to finish my collection.

[Liberator]

Btw, welcome Liberator. I asume from your name you are a Blake's 7 fan like myself.

My updated Avatar should provide the answer to that

Thank's for the welcome aboard!