The Apocalypse Box.

[Joseph DeMartino]

I've become convinced that TMoS will have to do with Technomages and their Shadow Tech... and it will feature telepaths too, which may pave the way for a Telepath War movie in the future.

Problem: None of the technomages leave their sanctuary until after the Telepath War. (ACtA takes place in late 2266, Crusade S1 in 2267. The Telepath War starts in 2264 and is over by 2265. See also Legend of the Rangers.)

Regards,

Joe

[Dipper]

From the information I've gathered, there is no indication that the TMs have left the sanctuary yet. They are there in the end of the TM trilogy, they are there in ACtA and they are still there at the end of Crusade.


And Joe's right, you can't combine TMs and the Telepath War. I would go with shadow tech and Galen. Maybe some left over allies of the Shadows, like the Vurt, Streib or the Drakh.


-Dip

[Joseph DeMartino]

...and they are still there at the end of Crusade.

Galen leaves the sanctuary at the end of ACtA, Alwyn never goes into sanctuary, and several of the younger mages are out and about (per the Centauri Trilogy) at some point in the years between 2267 and 2278. So there are mages "available" during that period.

Regards,

Joe

[NotKosh]

Originally posted by Joseph DeMartino
Galen leaves the sanctuary at the end of ACtA, Alwyn never goes into sanctuary, and several of the younger mages are out and about (per the Centauri Trilogy) at some point in the years between 2267 and 2278. So there are mages "available" during that period.

Regards,

Joe

For all we know, others leave the sanctuary during the time period of Crusade.

Thinking what JMS has to work with, I also agree that the telepath war will not be covered, perhaps mentioned here and there. That is its own story, and JMS will tell it in his own time.

The title, and his hints point to Crusade/TM/Shadowtech. There is enough there easily to support a movie.

Now the Crusade angle. Given the costs of the movie, it would be really hard, I would think, to have both casts. Given the recognition of the B5 cast, rewriting because of the loss of Richard Biggs, it is more likely that this will be a B5 cast story.

To involve TMs, Galen will probably leave the Excalibur, and be doing something while the Excalibur is doing whatever. We assume that there was to be a split sometime with Galen and Gideon, possibly when Gideon discovers the origin of TM tech. This might be the period of time for TMoS.

I don't see JMS giving up on Crusade yet, or wanting to wrap it up. I think he wants to do something to flesh out that story, I think TMoS will cover some of that, but not all of it.

Consider this. We know that Excalibur had to go renegade later. That would leave them without EA support, but the Rangers would still be providing support. There is your tie in to at least Delenn and Sheridan, and from them to others.

[Capt.Montoya]

Originally posted by Joseph DeMartino
Problem: None of the technomages leave their sanctuary until after the Telepath War. (ACtA takes place in late 2266, Crusade S1 in 2267. The Telepath War starts in 2264 and is over by 2265. See also Legend of the Rangers.)

Regards,

Joe

My apologies for being unclear... I meant a future Telepath War movie not as a direct sequel from TMoS, but from having TMoS present the concept of B5 telepaths to the wider audience.
IMO without the series as background the general public may find themselves clueless on a Telepath War movie without excessive exposition.

[cornholio1980]

Originally posted by Capt.Montoya
IMO without the series as background the general public may find themselves clueless on a Telepath War movie without excessive exposition.

I don't understand why that should be a problem. What is there really to know except that there are Telepaths, they are controlled by the Psi-Corps, and now there's a conflict between teeps and mundanes? (Yes, I know, thats VERY simplified, but now be honest, with this background, I really don't think that people who don't know B5 yet would have a problem to follow the story).

I find it much harder to imagine how a kind of a sequel to crusade which tells us something about the Drakh War could be interesting and/or understandable for a non-b5 audience...

[Dipper]

Originally posted by cornholio1980
I don't understand why that should be a problem. What is there really to know except that there are Telepaths, they are controlled by the Psi-Corps, and now there's a conflict between teeps and mundanes?

The conflict isn't between the teeps and mundanes, but between teeps and rogue teeps led by Lyta Alexander. That war flamed up greatly because Bester got Byron killed and that's one big story, I see it quite hard to explain the whole history of the personal relation ships etc. so that the story remain plausable.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doing a movie about the teep war would also require both casts of B5 and Crusade, because Matheson is neck deep involved in the war.


-Dip

[AmyG]

IMO without the series as background the general public may find themselves clueless on a Telepath War movie without excessive exposition.

X-Men didn't seem to have a problem establishing the fact that there are mutants, they are disliked by most of the US's population, and that there was leglislation starting up that was aimed at stripping them of their rights as citizens.

LOADS of people who'd never read the X-Men comics had no trouble accepting the standing premises used in the films.

Aisling

[Dipper]

I'm not sure, but IMVHO there is a difference if the reason is personal instead of general.

Just a thought )

-Dip

[cornholio1980]

Originally posted by Dipper
The conflict isn't between the teeps and mundanes, but between teeps and rogue teeps led by Lyta Alexander

I'm aware of that, but fact is: You don'T need to know the story about Byron to understand that story. Just set up that the Psi Corps is not necessarily a good thing (which really shouldn't be a problem), and that's about it...

I still think that a movie about the Drakh needs way more background info than a story about the telepath conflict...

[Bonehead]

Ok, as this thread is heading in the movie speculation direction, I'll throw my two cents in.

All the debates over telepath war or Drakh or Technomage stories etc, can only be sub-plots to the main story (in my opinion)

If you're going to sell a film called 'The Memory of Shadows' to the general public, the main story would have to be about 'Shadows' in no small part. Anything else that spins off from that, like the Drakh or Technomages, would be sub-plots within the Shadow main story.

The exciting thing for me, is to see how the Shadows are going to be worked back into our B5 universe. Whether through flash-backs of before they left, or them actually returning. Personally, I think we will see parts of Drakh, Technomage and psi corps stories woven into the main plot.

Who knows, maybe even an apocalpse box

[Capt.Montoya]

OK, I can believe that any B5 story on the screen will need maybe the same amount of expository material... (but I still think that the Teep War may be a future movie, not part of TMoS)

I'd speculate that TMoS may involve the teepsicles and technomages as the most obvious human examples of remaining Shadow influences.
Likely to include the revelation of Earth Force research into Shadow Tech (which would be revelation for those unfamiliar with the unproduced Crusade scripts).

Or maybe TMoS is the story of the Drakh War?

And as Bonehead says... maybe it'll even include an Apocalypse Box.
There are six of them...

[Joseph DeMartino]

There are six of them...

"We have six..." That's it. The things are Centauri artifacts. Probably marital aids of some sort.

Regards,

Joe

[Dipper]

Great, I knew we would get in to bottom of this. The A-box is an audio version of the Kamasutra and each of them is designed for one level of intimacy and pleasure.


-Dip

[Joseph DeMartino]

No more calls, please. We have a winner!



Joe