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  • Jonas
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    Originally posted by trimotor View Post
    Sheridan going from reasonable to biting Garabaldis head off inside of 30 seconds during a conversation doesn't exactly qualify as the same in my book.
    You seem to be forgetting the content of all the previous episodes. Sheridan has lots of reasons to be angry at Garibaldi; he tries to get over them, but the discussion takes a bad turn, and he snaps. In fact, the trouble Garibaldi and Sheridan have talking to each other is also emphasized in a later discussion with Delenn.

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  • lotjx
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    Originally posted by trimotor View Post
    Lennier had a moment like what you're talking about when he left Sheridan trapped in that room on the whitestar instead of opening the door for him. Sheridan going from reasonable to biting Garabaldis head off inside of 30 seconds during a conversation doesn't exactly qualify as the same in my book.
    Lennier betraying Sheridan was hinted back in Day of the Dead and Lennier even admitted to Marcus in season 3, he was in love with her. That was a very in character moment since it was the resolution to Lennier's inner conflict. He just choose poorly. I guess I forgot about Zack asking her to scan Garibaldi. Sheridan and Garibaldi have a typical tough guy relationship where they are talking sports and joking around one minute then yelling at each other the next. When Sheridan and Delenn acted a little off, I chalk down to the stress of their jobs as well as impossible burdens bought on them by themselves and others.

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  • Garibaldi's Hair
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    Originally posted by trimotor View Post
    Lennier had a moment like what you're talking about when he left Sheridan trapped in that room on the whitestar instead of opening the door for him. Sheridan going from reasonable to biting Garabaldis head off inside of 30 seconds during a conversation doesn't exactly qualify as the same in my book.
    That's how people are ... black one minute, white another with varying shades of grey sandwiched in between. We can't praise B5 for having very real, human characters (even the aliens) and then complain when they behave the way real human beings do.

    And ... as it turned out, everyone was right to be suspicious of Garibaldi, because he came back under the control of Bester and the Psi Corps

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  • trimotor
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    Originally posted by Doom Shepherd View Post
    Don't we all?

    I can think of a number of times when I've done things that seemed shockingly out-of-character, even to my most intimate acquaintances and family.

    (Strangely enough, a number of those tended to also be Moments of Awesome.)
    Lennier had a moment like what you're talking about when he left Sheridan trapped in that room on the whitestar instead of opening the door for him. Sheridan going from reasonable to biting Garabaldis head off inside of 30 seconds during a conversation doesn't exactly qualify as the same in my book.

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  • ILUVJOHNSHERIDAN
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    Zach did ask Lyta to scan Girabaldi but she refused because he was her friend and the first person she met when she came to B5.

    as to Sheridan and Delenn, I believe there was some kind of pyschic connection between them. She new when he was in danger and he seen visions of her to keep him strong when he was interogated by EA.

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  • Doom Shepherd
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    Originally posted by trimotor View Post
    Sheridan and Delenn both seem to have quite a few moments, especially in later seasons, where their actions are not consistent with their normal behavior.
    Don't we all?

    I can think of a number of times when I've done things that seemed shockingly out-of-character, even to my most intimate acquaintances and family.

    (Strangely enough, a number of those tended to also be Moments of Awesome.)

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  • lotjx
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    They stated a number of times Sheridan came back different when he returned from Z'Ha'Dum as well as Delenn adjusting to being a Human/Minbari hybrid. I have zero problem with the Sheridan's attitude towards Garibaldi tension in season 4. The circumstances of Garibaldi's disapperance and reapperance were so shady that any sane person would think twice about trusting Michael. I still can't believe that Sheridan or Zack didn't suggest having Lyta do a scan on Garibaldi. Michael, I know every inch of this station on top of the thousands of laws needed for my job, Garibaldi can't remember one little thing about the last few weeks or months and thats ok. Sheridan should have placed him on medical leave regardless of what Franklin said and then waited to see what he did. That has will always beg me that people feel Sheridan is to blame for their friendship erroding, Michael is lucky not to have been placed in a holding cell when he came back.

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  • JoeD80
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    Their personalities change over time, not always for the better, just like real people.

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  • trimotor
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    I'm commenting more on the moments for both characters that are completely out of character. Mostly, they and the rest of the characters are quite well written, but Sheridan and Delenn both seem to have quite a few moments, especially in later seasons, where their actions are not consistent with their normal behavior.

    Like i said, I like the characters. Ivonova is my favorite, followed closely by Vir. I just find it odd when one of them does something that isn't consistent with their well established personality.
    Last edited by trimotor; 04-26-2011, 09:06 AM.

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  • Jonas
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    I can think of a dozen scenes in which Sheridan is relaxed, funny and friendly. He's under a lot of stress later in the show, but even there, he has lighter moments.

    Delenn also is a hell of a lot more than just mysterious and wise. She can be vulnerable, sad, icy, strong, witty, funny... so I really don't see where this complaint is coming from.

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  • Marsden
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    I think being the Generalissimo of the largest alliance ever in the biggest war in the history of the galaxy, during the course of which he was killed and reanimated by an alien, could make someone a bit of a grumpy pants. I think at least half of people would give up when they find out they're dead and have about 20yrs left. I though Sheridan flew off the handle too fast vs. Garabaldi, also, but lets look at what transpired between these two. Sheridan trusted Garibaldi enough to basically help him commit suicide by putting two of the fusion bombs in the White Star and not tell anyone else or even question it. (BTW, I love the way Sheridan tells him go do that and when he's done they will talk about the weather. Great scene.) Then Sheridan comes back and he's got Lorien next to him almost constantly, in public at least, and Garibaldi is naturally suspicious and then he was mentally abused/altered by the PsiCorp. I don't think either one is the same person anymore and Garibaldi is a scarcastic guy and he knew what buttons to push and the fact they were so close before makes it that much worse. I need an editor. Sorry.

    To sum up, I thought it was a well written flaw in Sheridan's character, not a mistake.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by glindros View Post
    Is the telepathic connection mentioned in one of the books?
    You know...I don't honestly know. It may be. Though my feeling is that it's something JMS said so it might be from a convention appearance or even in one of the DVD commentaries. If I can find it, I'll post the reference here.

    Jan

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  • Garibaldi's Hair
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    Originally posted by trimotor View Post
    I would have to guess that it was in one of the books. There was no mention of any telepathic connection in any of the episodes or movies. The only thing that even comes close was the rescue attempt with Lyta at Za'Ha'Dum. That was just Delenn trying to somehow speak through Lyta.
    There were hints right through the series that Delenn was mildly telepathic ... the way she detects Alisa Beldon and shuts her out in "Legacies" is just one specific one that springs immediately to mind. Whilst there is no mention of a telepathic connection between Sheridan and Delenn, it isn't a huge leap from what we did see on screen to Delenn having some sort of telepathic bond with her husband that enables her to be sensitive to his heightened frame of mind in serious situations.

    Being a show that showed much of its characters with out ever feeling the need to explain each and every tiny detail (and its implications) on screen, I don't have a problem with that interpretation at all - it was pretty much what I surmised from the sum total of 5 years of episodes.

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  • trimotor
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    I would have to guess that it was in one of the books. There was no mention of any telepathic connection in any of the episodes or movies. The only thing that even comes close was the rescue attempt with Lyta at Za'Ha'Dum. That was just Delenn trying to somehow speak through Lyta.

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  • glindros
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    ...when Delenn is aware of Sheridan's danger, it's not a matter of simple dramatics, it's because she's got a slight telepathic connection to him. If she didn't, it's unlikely she'd be murmuring his name at a particular moment from light years away. Nor would she have known when Sheridan died, as was made clear when she hugged his pillow in pain just as he went 'beyond the rim'.
    Jan

    Jan your B5 knowledge never ceases to keep me in awe. I always had a feeling that they had a connection but always attributed it to Kosh's influence. Is the telepathic connection mentioned in one of the books?

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