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  • #91
    Originally posted by AmyG View Post
    And again, we come around to JMS saying that no one would ever play G'Kar besides Andreas, and since Andreas has passed beyond the rim, well...
    Joe mentioned in the script books that he has considered using Ta'Lon in some way if there is future B5.
    Originally posted by AmyG View Post
    And it remains to be seen whether JMS would be willing to reboot the universe.
    I recall him saying (in the podcast interview?) that he thought a "next generation" style or reboot would both suit B5 just fine.

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    • #92
      Did he really say that? Can anyone verify it? Jan did a cursory search on this for me the other day (thank you, Jan!), and couldn't find it. I really need to hear what he said on this!

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      • #93
        You can have G'Kar a variety of different ways. Apperantly, George Lucas is going around getting the estates of dead actors to give him the rights to use their likeness in films. In the future, I fully expect in the future you will able to do that for a lot of actors. You can use G'Kar in the Centauri Trilogy since the most important scene is done. The other part of his role can be CGI or would be CGI anyway. The Dilger War has nothing to do with G'Kar, Na'Toth's role is important in that or at least her grandfather. To me, the Dilger War is the easiest way to reboot the series with a young cast. Legends of the Rangers proved to me that doing a young cast while the B5 characters are alive is doomed to fail.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by AmyG View Post
          The newsgroup is currently dead, so that gives me a little more head space to poke around the other places, like here...
          Why is the newsgroup currently dead?

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          • #95
            Jay's been doing some equipment changes and software upgrades. And of course, life tends to get in the way sometimes.

            Jan
            "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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            • #96
              Oh, yeesh, not the "dead actors' likenesses" conversation again! Ack! :-D

              Honestly, JMS doesn't strike me as the type of guy to do this. It is really creepy and entirely disrespectful of an actor's craft. He is just not that guy, you know? You'd have to do it without the actor's permission by necessity, the actor being dead. And JMS is not the kind of guy to do something like that. Also, I have to point out that he's a writer (and director) who actually appreciates what the actor brings to the table. So I can't imagine him wanting to digitally manipulate old footage and create a new performance *mechanically*.

              I would flip right out and come and haunt anyone who took my voice after my death, and digitally added it to some piece of music that I wasn't around to create while I was alive. Seriously, I don't know any actor who thinks this stuff is a good idea.
              Last edited by AmyG; 03-20-2011, 04:09 PM.

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              • #97
                I know this is a few posts too late, but going back to the Centauri trilogy, every time I read Durla's parts I heard Refa's voice, it seemed to fit. Also with Shivkala it sounded like Kim Strauss. I know Wayne Alexander was the one who played Shivkala on screen but I kept hearing Kim Strauss. And of course Londo, Vir, G'kar, and all the rest were there.
                "And what kind of head of Security would I be if I let people like me know things that I'm not supposed to know? I mean, I know what I know because I have to know it. And if I don't have to know it, I don't tell me, and I don't let anyone else tell me either. " And I can give you reasonable assurances that the head of Security will not report you for doing so."
                "Because you won't tell yourself about it?"

                "I try never to get involved in my own life, too much trouble."

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                • #98
                  Along with Christopher Franke doing new music.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by JoeD80 View Post
                    Joe mentioned in the script books that he has considered using Ta'Lon in some way if there is future B5.
                    That is so freaky I was just watching a series five episode and was thinking Ta'Lon would be an obvious replacement for G'Kar .

                    Originally posted by lotjx View Post
                    You can have G'Kar a variety of different ways. Apperantly, George Lucas is going around getting the estates of dead actors to give him the rights to use their likeness in films. In the future, I fully expect in the future you will able to do that for a lot of actors. You can use G'Kar in the Centauri Trilogy since the most important scene is done. The other part of his role can be CGI or would be CGI anyway. The Dilger War has nothing to do with G'Kar, Na'Toth's role is important in that or at least her grandfather. To me, the Dilger War is the easiest way to reboot the series with a young cast. Legends of the Rangers proved to me that doing a young cast while the B5 characters are alive is doomed to fail.


                    I should imagine that technology is still a fair way off. If the level of this technology could be done so that you question your own eyes and ears, I would love to see G'Kar return. Just hearing his voice at the beginning of the Lost Tales sent a shiver down my spine. If the level of CGI and voice-recognition software could bring him back, as if Andreas never left, I wouldn't be adverse to his return...

                    The more I think about it the more I wonder why people keep talking about a reboot? Babylon 5 is not Star Trek and has so many stories to offer... And those are the ones that JMS has cared to share the possibilities with. Babylon 5 probably has 2, 3 or even 4 (at and least) 100 episode TV series, no end of mini-series and a whole bunch of big screen movies. The idea or a need to tell a story that even most people don't even know is pointless. Given how timeless the story is


                    It was the end of the Earth year 2261, and it was the dawn of a new age, for all of us. It was the end of one chapter and the beginning of another. The next twenty years would see great changes, great joy, and great sorrow. The Telepath War, and the Drakh War. The new Alliance would waver, and crack, but in the end, it would hold. Because what is built endures, and what is loved endures. And Babylon 5 - Babylon 5 endures.
                    If anybody is going to reboot a movie or TV series why choose something that still works? Why not reboot Crusade, Legend of the Rangers or something with great potential that is really old or never told its story. Babylon 5 has so much untapped potential, just like Farscape and Firefly . "rebooting" is just Hollywood's lazy current phase as it was to do prequels a few years earlier.
                    Last edited by valens_shadow; 03-20-2011, 08:31 PM.

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                    • Rebooting is the new Hollywood way of doing things. To be fair, its always how they worked, look at how many incarnations of Superman, Batman, Spiderman, Star Trek and so on we have had in TV and film over the years. I do believe when Lucas and Speilberg are gone someone will reboot Star Wars, Jaws, ET and Indiana Jones. The problem for Hollywood is their a beast that can not be feed. They have to make money and one of the easiest ways to make money is to do something that has a built in audience. Its harder to take a risk on something like Toy Story or Black Swan or District 9 then it is to do a sequel or reboot a project or make a film about something everyone knows like superheroes. I am not saying its a good thing, but that is the rational and to be fair minus this year, they have had a string of sucess with it.

                      To be fair, Firefly was doomed day one and is even worse off now, because how terrible Serenity was. I know there are some real hardcore fans who want it back as well as some of the cast, but that ship sailed when you killed a quarter of your cast and kept the annoying quarter of the rest of the cast. Farscape had a great ending and really that is all it needs. I am not sure how or why you would want to do Farscape after that ending. The odds of another human coming through a wormhole were iffy at best the first time, the second time is damn near impossible, it reeks of Planet of the Apes 2. Yes, you do need a human for Farscape or it becomes weird quick. I also don't want someone to try and retread Crichton, because that is one of the greatest characters in sci-fi thanks to Bowder and awesome scripts.

                      The problem with rebooting Crusade and Legend of the Rangers mainly Rangers is they are failures. B5 worked and exceeded expectations. B5 worked, so you reboot what worked not what did not work. Now, we all want to know how Crusade ended, but if you read the books primarily the last PSI Corp book as well as seeing Franklin walking around in Sleeping in Light, you know they cured it. The best hope for the Centauri Trilogy would be graphic novels or an animated film like Bruce Timm is doing with the DCU. All you need is Andreas' voice and I am pretty sure they have enough of his voice work, it will be fine. At this point, any new B5 would be good news.

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                      • 'Fraid I heartily disagree with your assessment of the Firefly movie. Yeah, I wasn't happy to see Wash and Book die, but mostly because I'd've like to learn more about Book's background. I didn't find any of the characters annoying.

                        The so-called 'failures' of Crusade and Rangers are very subjective. The fact is, Rangers far exceeded ratings expectations in the time zones where it wasn't in conflict with that week's football game of the century. Being cancelled before Crusade ever aired automatically meant lower ratings when it did air because many fans, knowing that there was no closure, completely avoided it (and stillavoid buying or watching the DVDs).

                        But yeah, from the view of the studios, they probably would be considered failures.

                        While I perhaps (though it's a huge stretch) could see JMS changing his mind regarding not recasting G'Kar, I'm pretty sure he'd never use previous performances by Andreas to make 'new' ones. My thinking is that the tribute to him in the voiceover on the Lost Tales disk was the last we'll hear of him and that's as it should be.

                        One thing to keep in mind when thinking about what the April (or post-April) announcement might be is that JMS has regularly stressed that whatever he does in the B5 universe in the future, it'll need to be a story that he burns to tell. While I don't pretend to know what JMS thinks, I can't see him telling a story that's already been told, such as that of the Centauri trilogy. After all, while he wrote the outline, it's not really his story to tell. Not to mention the fact that there are few to no Humans involved.

                        Jan
                        "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                        • Originally posted by lotjx View Post
                          Rebooting is the new Hollywood way of doing things. To be fair, its always how they worked, look at how many incarnations of Superman, Batman, Spiderman, Star Trek and so on we have had in TV and film over the years. I do believe when Lucas and Speilberg are gone someone will reboot Star Wars, Jaws, ET and Indiana Jones. The problem for Hollywood is their a beast that can not be feed. They have to make money and one of the easiest ways to make money is to do something that has a built in audience. Its harder to take a risk on something like Toy Story or Black Swan or District 9 then it is to do a sequel or reboot a project or make a film about something everyone knows like superheroes. I am not saying its a good thing, but that is the rational and to be fair minus this year, they have had a string of sucess with it.

                          To be fair, Firefly was doomed day one and is even worse off now, because how terrible Serenity was. I know there are some real hardcore fans who want it back as well as some of the cast, but that ship sailed when you killed a quarter of your cast and kept the annoying quarter of the rest of the cast. Farscape had a great ending and really that is all it needs. I am not sure how or why you would want to do Farscape after that ending. The odds of another human coming through a wormhole were iffy at best the first time, the second time is damn near impossible, it reeks of Planet of the Apes 2. Yes, you do need a human for Farscape or it becomes weird quick. I also don't want someone to try and retread Crichton, because that is one of the greatest characters in sci-fi thanks to Bowder and awesome scripts.

                          The problem with rebooting Crusade and Legend of the Rangers mainly Rangers is they are failures. B5 worked and exceeded expectations. B5 worked, so you reboot what worked not what did not work. Now, we all want to know how Crusade ended, but if you read the books primarily the last PSI Corp book as well as seeing Franklin walking around in Sleeping in Light, you know they cured it. The best hope for the Centauri Trilogy would be graphic novels or an animated film like Bruce Timm is doing with the DCU. All you need is Andreas' voice and I am pretty sure they have enough of his voice work, it will be fine. At this point, any new B5 would be good news.

                          I would be very much surprised if there was not a continuation of Firefly/Serenity in big or small screen format. I must admit I'm surprised by your view that Serenity was terrible. I thought that it was a very good movie and while not as good as the series it was certainly very enjoyable. While it didn't do great business at the Box Office it has also brought in new fans to Firefly since it's DVD release. I can't honestly see Firefly not flying again and a really hope it happens sooner rather than later. While it was sad that they killed the characters they killed in Serenity those characters can still return in flashback scenes. Besides they still have the best characters from the series left alive and like Jan I don't find any character annoying, plus I too wanted to know more of Book's backstory.

                          I'd definitely don't want to see another human or actor replacing Crichton. What I want to see is the original cast on the big screen. There's definitely plenty of scope for new stories and the last I heard the Henson's are trying to get funding to make it happen. I also have to agree that Crichton is one of the greatest characters in science-fiction.

                          I'd take it you never read any of the story ideas JMS planned to use for Crusade? Because if you did you would know that the plague was due to be cured somewhere around the midway point of series 2. For the life of me I can't remember what the real main story arc for Crusade was going to be but trust me when I say it sounded like it could easily have been better than Babylon 5!

                          Originally posted by Jan View Post

                          One thing to keep in mind when thinking about what the April (or post-April) announcement might be is that JMS has regularly stressed that whatever he does in the B5 universe in the future, it'll need to be a story that he burns to tell. While I don't pretend to know what JMS thinks, I can't see him telling a story that's already been told, such as that of the Centauri trilogy. After all, while he wrote the outline, it's not really his story to tell. Not to mention the fact that there are few to no Humans involved.

                          Jan
                          Whatever B5 comes I'll be happy as long as it's live action, big or small screen.

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                          • Yes, I meant failures in the eyes of the studio. Also, as much as I love B5, Legend of the Rangers was tough to get through. Retreading the Shadows, a group of mostly humans fighting against the odds and using the same trick twice to beat this impossible enemy as well as the technology of the defense system on a junk ship was just awful. The cast and characters didn't help either. G'Kar was the only good thing about it.

                            Crusade was doomed from the start and as much as I want to see it back, we already now the ending. I do wish they would have chosen the tecnomage trilogy to wrap up Crusade if it wasn't already close to being done or already done. Technomage trilogy is about one book more then it needed to be anyway. I also doubt Crusade was going to be better then B5 for a lot of reasons.

                            The Doctor and Jan are annoying. While I like Jan more then the Doctor, I would have been cool with those two dying instead of Walsh and Shepard. I don't understand why you kill a character like Shepard whose backstory makes it more feesible for the characters to know things about the Alliance then anyone else including River. Walsh was just a fun character and once you kill the fun character then the show becomes sad and depressing. As much as I love red heads, I would have been ok to with the engineering dying as well. Hell, anyone on the cast would have been fair game expect Mal, River and those two. I know people who saw people walk out of the theater after Wash died. I just don't see how a fanbase like that could recover when you piss off a good chunk of it. Imagine if B5 was cancled in season 4 and we never go Sleeping in the Light. Yet, we get a movie where Garibaldi gets killed in the middle of the film by Bester, Franklin and/or Susan die at the end in some random way. Do you think we get a follow-up series or would want a follow-up series? Probably not.

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                            • I found this in 2006

                              An interesting post on the TrekBBS forums re: Crusade's future direction had the series continued;

                              There really aren't a lot of specifics available, but here's the gist of it, derived from two of the unproduced scripts and some JMS postings:


                              Near the end of Season One, Gideon has another encounter with the mystery ship that destroyed the Cerberus and killed every crew member except for him. Among other things, he discovers that the effect of its main weapon is virtually identical to that of the Excalibur's main gun.

                              While the mystery ship escapes, Excalibur's crew discovers a unique energy signature that would make it possible for them to locate and follow the ship in the future.

                              In the S1 cliffhanger, they would find the ship again, this time following it to a secret base. Gideon and Galen infiltrate the facility. Gideon is captured, and brought to the base commander -- an EarthForce officer in charge of a covert project intended to adapt and exploit Shadow technology. The ship that destroyed the Cerberus was an early experiment that "escaped." The human CPU went mad, hence the attack.

                              Meanwhile, Galen makes his way deeper into the site, and discovers its ultimate secret: an area where humans are being used as "hosts" to grow Technomage-like implants. Galen destroys the area, killing the doomed "hosts" in the process.

                              After the pair escape, they have a major falling-out. Gideon is shocked to discover that Galen's tech was provided by the Shadows (per the Technomage novels by Jeanne Cavelos), and is angry at how much possibly vital information Galen has withheld from him to protect that secret. Galen leaves the Excalibur.

                              Gideon organizes a meeting of those w**king on the cure, to be held on Mars. At the meeting, he intends to present evidence of what he found at the secret base. He intends to go alone, so that he's the only one who can be accused of treason for revealing the secret, but Matherson, Dureena, and Max all join him. (Chambers may be there, too, and perhaps one or two others from the crew.)

                              As Gideon approaches the building where the meeting is to take place, we become aware that Galen is also on Mars, watching from a distance...and that he has discovered that an assassin is lying in wait for Gideon. Before Galen can sound a warning, the assassin fires, and we see Gideon fall to the ground -- fade to black.

                              JMS has indicated that the cure would have been discovered in Season Two. At some point, the Excalibur crew would realize that the cure was not exactly what it appeared. No one in EarthGov would believe them, however. Gideon and company would "steal" their ship and "go renegade," hunted by both EarthGov and other forces in an attempt to find out what is really going on. That was pretty much as far as he went in describing the future of the show. What follows is speculation, and very limited speculation, at that:

                              We know the plague comes originally from the Shadows. We know that a similar plague was created by a Technomage using nanotech, and that the Drakh plague seems to use some of the same techniques. We also know that both EarthGov and the Technomages have some knowledge of Shadow-based nanotech.

                              Finally, we know (from the Technomage novels) that *all* Shadowtech has the quality of predisposing the user towards chaos. If the "cure" is an application of Shadow-derived nanotech, there is a good chance that it will retain this quality -- creating almost as many problems as the original plague would have.

                              Since this is only a possibility, however, and since there would be unimaginable ethical and political pressure to use any cure as soon as it was discovered, it is entirely plausible that EarthGov would ignore Gideon's warnings, and use the cure. The argument against using it would come from a maverick captain who had at least tried to reveal top-secret information, and a technomage who was inherently suspect.

                              It is interesting to note that B5 really got the Shadow arc rolling only in S2. Prior to that, much of the emphasis had been on Sinclair's missing 24 hours and the Minbari surrender, although the mysterious Shadow ships and the notion of an ancient enemy were introduced starting around mid-season.

                              The original outline for B5 had called for these threads to be resolved by the fourth of fifth episode of S2, with the Shadow War then dominating until early S4. Similarly, Crusade S1 would have been about finding a cure for the Drakh plague, although the Shadow-tech thread would also have been introduced. Early in S2, the plague story would probably have been ended, and the new thread begun. (The plague story was never sustainable over five years, anyway. We all knew the plague was cured.) I'm not sure where the story would have gone after that. But I can make a couple of guesses on specific points:

                              1) The Interstellar Alliance, especially John Sheridan, would have been more open to Gideon's ideas than EarthGov, and would likely have provided some covert assistance to Excalibur.

                              2) Elizabeth Lochley -- who was spared the hard choice of acting against her government and orders because she was never told to bomb civilians or commit any other obviously criminal act -- would now have to make that choice after all. I suspect that she would throw her lot in with Gideon.

                              The Excalibur couldn't have docked at B5 without instantly being seized, but I'm willing to bet Gideon and others could have come aboard on shuttles, and used the place for meetings and to pick up supplies.

                              Anyway, that's what little we know from the last several years, and what I can guess about the future direction of the series.

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                              • Not to keep veering off topic with discussions of other shows, who'd Jan on Firefly?? I'd think I'd remember a character with my own name!

                                ETA: OH! You mean Jayne?

                                And technically, even if B5 were cancelled at the end of Season 4, we still would have gotten Sleeping in Light because it was filmed as part of season 4, not season 5.

                                And let's do keep the conversation mainly on B5 rather than other shows. We can always discuss the others in the OT forum.

                                Jan
                                "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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