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Originally posted by mattius View Postin referal to the chinese actor question. there were a few well at least a few asian actors. sheridens girlfriend before he went to minbar. she was in the episode were gkar warns her about not going to sigma 947 (something like that) to scout for quantium 40. president santiago's advisor to b5 was asian i think japanese and thats all i know of off the top of my head
Also, I wasn't asking about actors but characters, Julia Nickson who played Kathrine is of Chinese ancestory born in Singapore but the character's last name is Sakai which is Japanese, for example.
I just thought it was a little strange that there didn't seem to be anyone in space from the most populous country on Earth. One thing I want to say about B5 is it seems to be a truly "integrated" show, I never felt they were throwing someone on there as a token human of a certain ethnicity or race, and they also showed a lot more of different cultures than other shows that supposedly are diverse.
So I'm not being critical, I remember JMS posted or stated somewhere he didn't like to keep coming up with a lot of names, but that might be for the aliens, he said it about naming one of the Minbari, Coplann, I think, I just think it's a minor oversight, if it in fact is, maybe there were others that I missed. Plus, it's harmless discussion, I really like B5, to put it mildly, it does so many things right it's almost impossible to find any problem.Last edited by Marsden; 02-27-2012, 08:39 AM."And what kind of head of Security would I be if I let people like me know things that I'm not supposed to know? I mean, I know what I know because I have to know it. And if I don't have to know it, I don't tell me, and I don't let anyone else tell me either. " And I can give you reasonable assurances that the head of Security will not report you for doing so."
"Because you won't tell yourself about it?"
"I try never to get involved in my own life, too much trouble."
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totally agree with you marsden. the shows characters allways have a purpose and are not just through in for "ethnical value". this is great because it doesnt regard other races other than white causican as a special case that need to be incorporated and it doesnt look at the colour or were there from which is in essence true equality.this is good for me as i dont have to sit through a show that has a british person in it listening to the usual clichÚs of britian
i think perhaps the reason why jms didnt have chinese people in it because he didnt find any chinese actors that suited any of his characters. as for chinese characters i think it was because china at that point wasnt as globally powerful as it is now (real life).in general i think that jms deals with cultural differences so perfectly in b5, one scene that i love is were vir is reminising about londo (when vir is emperor) and recalls the story about the when londo is brought to tears hearing the song of the pak ma ra.
and as for the show again totally agree. there isnt a single episode that i dont like. it is by far my favourate science fiction show
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Originally posted by mattius View Post
and as for the show again totally agree. there isnt a single episode that i dont like. it is by far my favourate science fiction show
*offers him a ppg so he can quietly go shoot himself*"There are no good wars. War is always the worst possible way to resolve differences. It degenerates and corrupts both sides to ever more sordid levels of existence, in their need to gain an advantage over the enemy. Those actively involved in combat are almost always damaged goods for the rest of their lives. If their bodies don't bear scars, their minds do, ofttimes both. Many have said it before, but it can't be said to enough, war is hell. "
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Originally posted by phazedout View Postyou like both [i]tko[/] and infection??
*offers him a ppg so he can quietly go shoot himself*
Don't hand someone a gun before you know where they're going to point it."And what kind of head of Security would I be if I let people like me know things that I'm not supposed to know? I mean, I know what I know because I have to know it. And if I don't have to know it, I don't tell me, and I don't let anyone else tell me either. " And I can give you reasonable assurances that the head of Security will not report you for doing so."
"Because you won't tell yourself about it?"
"I try never to get involved in my own life, too much trouble."
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I said I'd give yo a gun, not that it was loaded...
Phaze
on the "you know this cough is really starting to get upon my nerves, any hope you guys can vibe it out of me a la Sean in the 4400" ID"There are no good wars. War is always the worst possible way to resolve differences. It degenerates and corrupts both sides to ever more sordid levels of existence, in their need to gain an advantage over the enemy. Those actively involved in combat are almost always damaged goods for the rest of their lives. If their bodies don't bear scars, their minds do, ofttimes both. Many have said it before, but it can't be said to enough, war is hell. "
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Has it ever been stated what the naranek 'title' means?
I've always interpreted it as 'ambassador' or 'voice' (as in voice of the vorlongs), but that's just random guessing.
Further, has it ever been elaborated on how few the 'few of us left' vorlons really were?
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Originally posted by Mahr View PostHas it ever been stated what the naranek 'title' means?
Originally posted by Mahr View PostFurther, has it ever been elaborated on how few the 'few of us left' vorlons really were?
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I think the Vorlons may also be depleted from the "Thirdspace" debacle, they lost a lot of their people to that one. And I get the impression that to the Vorlons it was recent even though to us it would have been long ago. (A million years might just be a "generation" ago by Vorlon standards)Last edited by Marsden; 03-09-2012, 07:54 AM."And what kind of head of Security would I be if I let people like me know things that I'm not supposed to know? I mean, I know what I know because I have to know it. And if I don't have to know it, I don't tell me, and I don't let anyone else tell me either. " And I can give you reasonable assurances that the head of Security will not report you for doing so."
"Because you won't tell yourself about it?"
"I try never to get involved in my own life, too much trouble."
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Well, time for one of my strange questions. The White Stars had a Vorlon technology, a capability to learn and react to damage. Ok. Then do you think Sheridan had Delta squadron go "beat up" all the fresh new White Stars so they would learn from it? Just sayin'"And what kind of head of Security would I be if I let people like me know things that I'm not supposed to know? I mean, I know what I know because I have to know it. And if I don't have to know it, I don't tell me, and I don't let anyone else tell me either. " And I can give you reasonable assurances that the head of Security will not report you for doing so."
"Because you won't tell yourself about it?"
"I try never to get involved in my own life, too much trouble."
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I have a Thirdspace question. Lurker's guide says:
This story took place after the Shadow War, but before the declaration of war against Earth. That puts it between "Into the Fire" and "Moments of Transition."
Other clues allow it to be placed more precisely. It took place after "The Illusion of Truth" because that was the last time Zack wore his Earth Alliance uniform. Just after Zack was fitted with his new uniform in "Atonement," Delenn greeted Callenn and told him she'd be ready to leave for Minbar in one day, less than the amount of time elapsed in this story (Sheridan remarked to Trent that she'd had five days to examine the artifact.) It couldn't have taken place after "Atonement" since Dr. Franklin left in that episode before Delenn returned; the two of them weren't on the station at the same time again until after the declaration of war.
That puts "Thirdspace" between the first and second scenes of "Atonement" (a slight inconsistency since Callenn's ship can be seen to arrive in the opening shot, before Zack's fitting) unless Zack's visit to the Minbari tailors wasn't the first time he wore the uniform. If his visit was just an adjustment, possibly a result of being in fistfights in "Thirdspace," the story takes place between "The Illusion of Truth" and "Atonement."
Did JMS ever pin this down, or did he just leave it as is?"And what kind of head of Security would I be if I let people like me know things that I'm not supposed to know? I mean, I know what I know because I have to know it. And if I don't have to know it, I don't tell me, and I don't let anyone else tell me either. " And I can give you reasonable assurances that the head of Security will not report you for doing so."
"Because you won't tell yourself about it?"
"I try never to get involved in my own life, too much trouble."
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I'm rewatching the series and just watched "Rumors, Lies and Bragains" and from the very first time I saw this, I had a question. I've got my opinion on the answer, but I was wondering what others though.
After the warrior attacks Neroon, Delenn addresses the Religious caste members telling them that they are her rock, and that she knows something like the attack on Neroon would never happen among their caste. Later Lennier tells them that Delenn doesn't live in the same world as they do.
So, the question occurred to me, how much do they think they are speaking the truth, and how correct are they? I see 3 basic possibilities:
1) Delenn absolutely believed what she was saying, and Lennier was correct that she was living in another world.
2) Delenn knew the members of her caste had the same sort of doubts and was manipulating them by showing she thought the best of them in hopes they would rise to the occasion. Then, Lennier was blinded by his love for Delenn and believed what he said, not understanding what she was doing.
3) They both understood that the doubts existed, and both were using the opportunity to influence them to a better outcome.
Personally, I think it's number 2. What do you guys think? Is there another option I missed?"That was the law, as set down by Valen. Three castes: worker, religious, warrior."
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Originally posted by WorkerCaste View Post1) Delenn absolutely believed what she was saying, and Lennier was correct that she was living in another world.
2) Delenn knew the members of her caste had the same sort of doubts and was manipulating them by showing she thought the best of them in hopes they would rise to the occasion. Then, Lennier was blinded by his love for Delenn and believed what he said, not understanding what she was doing.
3) They both understood that the doubts existed, and both were using the opportunity to influence them to a better outcome.
Personally, I think it's number 2. What do you guys think? Is there another option I missed?
Which isn't to say that I think Delenn would have discussed it with Lennier, I don't. She was playing things very close to the vest right then and he might have gotten wind of her plans if she'd talked to him too much.
Jan"As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.
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