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  • Jan
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    The image on the tree is supposed to be G'Kar's father and the 'being of light' is called G'lan in the script. I'm not sure it was ever spelled out but, yes, I've always thought that Kosh was manipulating G'Kar's visions.

    I love the scripts and the script books because it gives a lot of insight into the amazing attention to detail that went into making the show and I can appreciate that without it spoiling the story for me. I definitely understand where you're coming from about not wanting them, though, because I've always wondered (not that I'd ever get the chance, mind) if I'd ever really want to visit the set of a TV show I liked because it might spoil the suspension of disbelief for me.

    Jan

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  • Marsden
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    I have a question from "Dust to Dust"

    G'kar is going through Londo's memories and he's had enough, then hears and sees the image of his father. Was Kosh making him remember his father?
    Then G'kar turns around and speaks to another older Narn. Was he a depiction of G'quan?

    It really didn't look like his father and G'kar didn't act like it was his father down from the tree. I'm sure this must have been Kosh speaking to him although he doesn't actually seem to see Kosh until right after when he (Kosh) again appears to be G'lan. When Garibaldi offered the Book of G'quan back to G'kar he said he is somewhat closer to the source, so that would seem to me that the second Narn was G'quan, maybe.

    Also, I know this is probably in the script books but I don't have them, so, I'm sorry if I'm ignorant.

    One aside about the script books: I can't afford them, that's a given, but as much as my curiosity about them is I don't think I want to read them anymore, some of the commentaries on the dvds and websites I've read kind of hurt the story for me. Not much, but after looking at the above website about the ships and then watching "Voices of Authority" I couldn't quite get past that, 1) the ship strongly resembled the Close Encounters ship, which I never noticed before reading it, 2) I could see that they WERE foot bones and couldn't stop noticing it. What went from a really marvelous thing into a so so thing bothered me. I still enjoyed it but I don't want to find anything else out, I don't want too much reality intruding into my story and turning it into just a TV show. I'm sorry if this sounds stupid.

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  • I, Zathras
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    I've never seen that first site you posted Triple F, but thanks for sticking that on there, its hilarious

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  • Triple F
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    If your thinking of these things
    http://www.themadgoner.com/B5/B5Scro...#Screen5_07_12

    then I don’t believe they were meant to be fighters (at least not attached to the station). *One* idea kicking around at the time of the pilot movie was that B5 could possibly have some sort of defensive ship (bigger than a fighter) berthed somewhere around the ass end of the station.

    http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-7647&

    (I’m guessing the captain/pilot had enough sense not to get involved when the Vorlons turned up in the movie). The use of fighters (Starfuries with the cobra bays) didn’t come into being until after the pilot movie.

    http://www.themadgoner.com/B5/B5Scro...m#Screen1_01_4
    Last edited by Triple F; 01-21-2011, 12:33 PM.

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  • Marsden
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    Thanks JoeD80! I never thought about Laurel having a "Control" personality!


    I'm familiar with the season one raiders, they were biege and were wide flat looking triangle, these were red and longer than wide and not too big. They're in the unaltered pilot and I think episode 4 of the first season reused the shot as mostly an exterior view but they streaked past in it.

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  • JoeD80
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    Originally posted by Marsden View Post
    Are those little red triangle shaped ships supposed to be the fighters? There were no Cobra bays on the original struts I noticed, but they really didn't mention fighters in the story except for Sinclair's recurring memories. I thought they might have been an artifact from the pilot but I saw them again in a 1st season episode, but I can't remember which one, around the 4th one.
    Don't remember what this refers to in the pilot, but the Raider fighters were triangles in the first season.

    Originally posted by Marsden View Post
    Could that nasty Mimbari been a Windsword? I know it doesn't really matter, but, just a thought.
    He was.

    Originally posted by Marsden View Post
    Now, help me here please, but Laurel was somehow part of the conspiracy to get rid of Sinclair with G'kar and the assassin?
    If you look carefully, you can see her access code being used at one point on a door lock, and she was the one who stopped Sinclair in the tube and edited the logs to remove that information. She likely had an implanted personality like Talia; remember that she was stationed on Mars at one point (that's where Talia was altered as shown in the comics).

    Originally posted by Marsden View Post
    When Morden talks to Delenn for the first, only time she puts her hand on her forehead to cover her triangle (?) and you can see her nails. I don't know what the triangle was about, either. It seemed like some of the Grey Council had them.
    It is a Grey Council device, to detect Shadows.

    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    As I recall, there's some question about that still open. There's a line somewhere about B5 still being run by EA pending the possibility of the ISA buying it but then it seemed the idea was dropped
    Sheridan's the one who mentioned that in No Compromises. It's possible the ISA did buy it and then gave it back when they decided to have headquarters on Minbar; in Sleeping in Light, Nils mentions that the EA only took control of B5 back a few years prior to 2281.

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  • I, Zathras
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    Good points, I engaged my fingers before my brain

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  • Garibaldi's Hair
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    I think it's safe to say that the Drakh war happened before Sheridan died. That's not really a spoiler.
    That particular point is even mentioned on screen.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by I, Zathras View Post
    There's also the Technomage trilogy and the Telepath War trilogy. I won't say which are the best as that would open a whole can of worms
    Typo Alert! Not Telepath WAR trilogy. In fact it completely *skips* the telepath war except for a few flashbacks if I recall correctly.

    I think it's safe to say that the Drakh war happened before Sheridan died. That's not really a spoiler.

    Jan

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  • I, Zathras
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    Cheers JasonDavis, I'm reading that and Behind the Scenes and enjoying them both. The more I read it, the more frustrated I feel for everyone involved, and the more I feel it was a massive missed opportunity on the part of TNT.

    Commander Raiden - I think people will be reluctant to put notes on about the Drakh war, purely because the Legions of Fire books cover that and they're soooooo good. Honestly, you have to read them, I'm with Marsden and Jan on this. If you look on Abebooks, Ebay or even Amazon you should be able to pick them up.

    There's also the Technomage trilogy and the Telepath War trilogy. I won't say which are the best as that would open a whole can of worms

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  • Commander Raiden
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    Well any details about the Drakh war then? What was the outcome?

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  • Marsden
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    If I answered any of those it would completely spoil the Centauri trilogy by Peter David which covers...all of those, as I recall. VERY well worth the read.

    Jan
    I second that. The books aren't cheap but I picked up a used 3 in 1 volume for $25 and I'm not one bit sorry.

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  • Jan
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    If I answered any of those it would completely spoil the Centauri trilogy by Peter David which covers...all of those, as I recall. VERY well worth the read.

    Jan

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  • Commander Raiden
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    I've got a question, seeing as the Drakh was the biggest threat to peace post the end of season 5, how long is it till matters came to a head with them? IE was there a war with the Drakh and when was it meant to have taken place, after sheridan died? How did the Centari get rid of the Drakh, or when Vir became emperor did he also get infected by a keeper?

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  • JasonDavis
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    Originally posted by I, Zathras View Post
    Like Columbo used to say, one last question:

    EAS Excalibur...I thought the Excalibur was the property of the ISA and on loan to the EA?
    From the documentation I've looked at while editing the Crusade: What the Hell Happened? books, it would appear that the Interstellar Alliance effectively gave the Excalibur to the Earth Alliance. It is--most assuredly--the EAS Excalibur. Presumably, Sheridan pulled rank just long enough to get Gideon in the captain's chair.

    Incidentally, there was another Earthforce vessel called the EAS Excalibur. It was one of the ships that attacked General Hague's ship prior to his fatal battle with the Clarkstown in 2260.

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