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  • mattius
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    totally agree with you marsden. the shows characters allways have a purpose and are not just through in for "ethnical value". this is great because it doesnt regard other races other than white causican as a special case that need to be incorporated and it doesnt look at the colour or were there from which is in essence true equality.this is good for me as i dont have to sit through a show that has a british person in it listening to the usual clichÚs of britian

    i think perhaps the reason why jms didnt have chinese people in it because he didnt find any chinese actors that suited any of his characters. as for chinese characters i think it was because china at that point wasnt as globally powerful as it is now (real life).in general i think that jms deals with cultural differences so perfectly in b5, one scene that i love is were vir is reminising about londo (when vir is emperor) and recalls the story about the when londo is brought to tears hearing the song of the pak ma ra.

    and as for the show again totally agree. there isnt a single episode that i dont like. it is by far my favourate science fiction show

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  • Marsden
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    Originally posted by mattius View Post
    in referal to the chinese actor question. there were a few well at least a few asian actors. sheridens girlfriend before he went to minbar. she was in the episode were gkar warns her about not going to sigma 947 (something like that) to scout for quantium 40. president santiago's advisor to b5 was asian i think japanese and thats all i know of off the top of my head
    Yes, you are correct, there were plenty of Asian people, but they seemed to be mostly Japanese, like Senator Hidoshi or Sinclair's fiancee Kathrine, or even Laurel in the pilot. There were some Indian people and Middle Eastern as well, which are all consider Asian although that discription doesn't always apply to those groups. Also, the Security guard I was refering to seems to be named Mitch Anson, that's not really very defining. I was being silly about him being Korean, sorry.

    Also, I wasn't asking about actors but characters, Julia Nickson who played Kathrine is of Chinese ancestory born in Singapore but the character's last name is Sakai which is Japanese, for example.

    I just thought it was a little strange that there didn't seem to be anyone in space from the most populous country on Earth. One thing I want to say about B5 is it seems to be a truly "integrated" show, I never felt they were throwing someone on there as a token human of a certain ethnicity or race, and they also showed a lot more of different cultures than other shows that supposedly are diverse.

    So I'm not being critical, I remember JMS posted or stated somewhere he didn't like to keep coming up with a lot of names, but that might be for the aliens, he said it about naming one of the Minbari, Coplann, I think, I just think it's a minor oversight, if it in fact is, maybe there were others that I missed. Plus, it's harmless discussion, I really like B5, to put it mildly, it does so many things right it's almost impossible to find any problem.
    Last edited by Marsden; 02-27-2012, 07:39 AM.

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  • mattius
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    Originally posted by DaveNarn View Post
    Sorry if this question has been asked before - I haven't seen it addressed on this thread yet.

    Season two, Last episode episode 'The Fall Of Night'.
    Kosh rescues Sheridan, he leaves his encounter suit, revealing publicly for the first time what he is under his encounter suit: a winged, angelic being of light. bringing Sheridan safely to the ground.

    Every race present saw a different deity but Londo. The Vorlons had created telepaths in each of these races and the Centauri have many deities.
    Did Londo see only Sharidan?
    Had londo been corrupted by the shadows already, or is it that he just lacked faith?
    HI. londo had been corupted since the end of season one by the shadows and although the vorlons created the telepaths in the universe the shadows also used "teeps" as cpus for there ships. just summizing now but it could be that the centuri were a race influenced by the shadows before they were defeated in the war last

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  • mattius
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    in referal to the chinese actor question. there were a few well at least a few asian actors. sheridens girlfriend before he went to minbar. she was in the episode were gkar warns her about not going to sigma 947 (something like that) to scout for quantium 40. president santiago's advisor to b5 was asian i think japanese and thats all i know of off the top of my head

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  • Marsden
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    Ohh, I don't like spam.

    Don't worry dear, I'll have your spam


    Well, the spam is more interesting than my questions. Hmmm.

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  • phazedout
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    all together now
    spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam looooevely spam wonder ful spaaaaaaaam.
    in reponse to the last post which has probably been delted by the time I click "post"

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  • Marsden
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    Well, the final answer to your question is in the Centauri Trilogy, if you haven't read it I strongly recommend it. In my opinion, it the closest thing to a sixth season of B5 that we will ever get, or half of one.


    I'm going to cover this just in case you want to read this on your own:
    Londo said originally that he saw nothing but later in life he said he saw only a bright light, shapless, nothing like what the others saw. Sorry it's not too earth shattering.


    I didn't think all the telepaths were from Vorlon interference, just the Human ones. There's a one time mention that the Vorlons were more interested in the Xon than the Centauri, so that lack of preperation probably interfered with the illusion.
    Last edited by Marsden; 02-15-2012, 05:29 AM.

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  • DaveNarn
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    Sorry if this question has been asked before - I haven't seen it addressed on this thread yet.

    Season two, Last episode episode 'The Fall Of Night'.
    Kosh rescues Sheridan, he leaves his encounter suit, revealing publicly for the first time what he is under his encounter suit: a winged, angelic being of light. bringing Sheridan safely to the ground.

    Every race present saw a different deity but Londo. The Vorlons had created telepaths in each of these races and the Centauri have many deities.
    Did Londo see only Sharidan?
    Had londo been corrupted by the shadows already, or is it that he just lacked faith?

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  • JoeD80
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    Before; it's the scene where he makes the decision to go to Londo's quarters.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by JoeD80 View Post
    G'Kar's eyes also turned black when he was under the influence of Dust.
    Was that before he was being influenced by Kosh? I don't remember.

    Jan

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  • JoeD80
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    part of her enhancement rather than the 'regular' P5 capability that she already had. IIRC, she was usually in a stressful situation when her eyes went black.
    G'Kar's eyes also turned black when he was under the influence of Dust.

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  • Marsden
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    I forgot about when she suprised Garibaldi, there wouldn't have been Shadows around then.

    Here's a little question, more of an observation really, but the man that Kodath smacks in the begining of Born to the Purple seems to be the same one Trakis smacks later in the Zocalo. He's having a bad day, huh?


    In Eyes, Mr Grey is accidentally scanning Susan and she yells at him. He looks surprised but then guesses that her mother had contact with her before and that's how she knew. Then later, in s2 we find out that she has some very limited psi capability that she keeps secret because she doesn't want to loose her career, somewhat how Mr. Grey did (or his dream of one). The way Mr. Grey gives her that second look right after he says that is almost like he realizes there's more to it that what he said, do you think Mr Grey noticed that Ivanova had some type of psy sensitivity? I wonder what happened to Mr. Grey at all, even though the colonel was a bit of a nut he still had powerful conections.


    Here's one more comment, when Mr Morden sits down in the casino in Signs and Portents he sees Londo and the scene lingers just a bit on him sitting there not speaking, but he seems to be nodding very slightly and seems to be attentive like he was listening. After knowing later there are 2 or 3 Shadows with him that seems more significant. I thought it was a really subtle touch and another example of how the show is more enjoyable with repeat viewing.
    Last edited by Marsden; 02-14-2012, 05:11 AM.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by Marsden View Post
    Why did her eyes turn black? I thought I might be because her pupils expanded to the full front surface of her eye, but I would think if it was a Vorlon thing they would shine, or is it a Shadow detection think that makes them appear black?
    While I can't say that I recall anything JMS said to back this up, my impression has always been that the black eyes happened when she was exerting powers that were part of her enhancement rather than the 'regular' P5 capability that she already had. IIRC, she was usually in a stressful situation when her eyes went black.

    The glowing eyes seemed to happen when she was channeling her 'inner Vorlon' or when she was exploring her power on her own, such as when she appeared in Garibaldi's quarters.

    Jan

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  • Babel-17
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    Kosh has been inside her and she's "... someone who has been touched by Vorlons" so maybe when her eyes turn black it's a sign that she's been changed and has reservoirs of power that can be triggered.

    I like the idea that detection of Shadows could be why her eyes change. Though didn't her eyes change when they were setting up the new vorlon ambassador? I can't remember.

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  • Marsden
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    Why did her eyes turn black? I thought I might be because her pupils expanded to the full front surface of her eye, but I would think if it was a Vorlon thing they would shine, or is it a Shadow detection think that makes them appear black?

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