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    what are the worst episodes of babylon 5

  • #2
    There are some episodes I like better than others but I don't think there were any that I thought were outright bad. One thing I didn't care for included the Mutai (don't care for boxing).

    Jan
    "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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    • #3
      Soul Hunter
      Born to the Purple
      Infection
      Believers
      Grail
      A Distant Star
      The Long Dark

      i loathe those episodes.

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      • #4
        For me there are good points to every episode, even if it's the B storyline as opposed to the main story. If I had to pick one I would normally skip it would be Sleeping in Light, but only because I cry through the whole thing and that's just too messy
        Flying around the room under my own power.

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        • #5
          Ah I quite liked Born to the Purple, was nice to see Londo before he got all bogged down in politics.

          I think most episodes have there good points, but ones I wasn't keen on were:

          Mind War - the main plot just seemed a bit slow.
          The War Prayer - Really couldn't get into it, even on repeated viewings.
          Acts of Sacrifice - only because I feel so much for Claudia Christian!
          Voices of Authority - a bit slow and talkey.
          Grey 17 is Missing - Just didn't like the Zarg, but the sub plot of Marcus and Neroon is very good.
          Learning Curve - Didn't engage with the characters.
          The River of Souls - Compared to the other films it just seemed to slow to me.
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          • #6
            i have to pick my episodes from the first season because i think all the episodes from the later seasons are utterly brilliant.I love all of them molari all of theeem as g kar says.But make no mistake i am a very big fan of michael o hare as jeff sinklair and i think that in the first season exist some of the most classic episodes of babylon 5 you know wich i am talking about, i dont need to tell them.
            but i have to see all over again the first season before i decide wich of the episodes i will pick as my worst eps of b5

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            • #7
              We'll, I am with Jan, "really bad" lies in the eye of the beholder, I think there are no complete awful B5-episodes, but when I have to choose what episodes I really dislike and think of as really totally weak, those come to my mind:

              Soul Hunter (premise okay, execution sucks)
              Infection (premise seen 1000 times, execution sucks, very few good moments)
              Visitors From Down The Street (Crusade; that's a parody attempt that never worked for me a bit)
              Legend of the Rangers (won't even talk about that insult again)

              As for the rest, there a a bunch of plots that didn't work at all for me, e.g. the Lumati, the Zarg, most of the Byron-thing, some early season one efforts, but those were all in episodes that had other qualities mostly, so it wasn't like they influenced my enjoyment of the show too much.

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              • #8
                What really doesn't work for me are the movies, apart from In the Beginning and The Lost Tales.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by renos View Post
                  what are the worst episodes of babylon 5
                  Believers.
                  Survivors was painful to watch in places, but it wasn't "bad."
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by I, Zathras View Post
                    Ah I quite liked Born to the Purple, was nice to see Londo before he got all bogged down in politics.

                    I think most episodes have there good points, but ones I wasn't keen on were:

                    <snip>
                    The River of Souls - Compared to the other films it just seemed to slow to me.
                    "The Legend of the Rangers - To Live and Die in Starlight" makes "The River of Souls" (some of Scoggins' best work) look like an Emmy Winner. Besides, I thought we were only talking about TV episodes, not the TV movies.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jonas View Post
                      What really doesn't work for me are the movies, apart from In the Beginning and The Lost Tales.
                      Agreed re. "In the Beginning." "A Call to Arms" works for me. Lost Tales, not so much. IMHO, Thirdspace & B5LotR-TLaDiS were the worst of the B5 TV movies.
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                      • #12
                        LOTR to me is without doubt the worst over all. There are just too many things to dislike and they easily outnumber the things that there are to like.

                        It just changed what we had already established as to what the Rangers were meant to be. They turned from an elite information gathering network - that even though they never were meant to be fighters, when they did they were very tough mothers - into an all-out-hard-as-nails-fighting-force-that-never-backs-away-from-a-fight.

                        What?

                        When was this supposed to have happend? I know that the Rangers creed contains the line (and it helps alot if you can imagine Jason Carter shouting this at Neroon) "...we stand on the bridge, and no one may pass..." but that is a rather different thing.

                        That gun/interface thing. I still cringe.

                        Way too much Kirk/Spock dynamic going off there.

                        Just how many 'ancient' races are there that predate the first one? None, I thought, they're all gone, all the ancient ones. It's our universe now. Oh, no...wait...

                        The CRIMIANL loss/wiping(?) of the original CGI starship files. This had so many knock-on effects hitting so many other things, like the DVD releases. Fair play that it was all new CG and what there was looked very nice, but the ships just did not even look like anything we'd come to expect. It just looked like the FX team didn't bother with doing any homework and did not watch any original episodes because the ships looked like they were from a whole other unconnected show.

                        The genreally poor and very weak story. Proof to me that JMS had reached some kind of burn-out/disappointment stage with B5. Further confirmed with B5:TLT. He needed a rest and he's getting it.

                        You know maybe, even if it was happening subconsciously, JMS realised that he needed a rest from things B5 related...and that's why he stuck firmly to his "big film or nothing" stance. He had an idea that WB would come around eventually but it would give him the time required to recharge himself for it and so be able to write a really cracking B5 movie.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Morden View Post
                          We'll, I am with Jan, "really bad" lies in the eye of the beholder, I think there are no complete awful B5-episodes, but when I have to choose what episodes I really dislike and think of as really totally weak, those come to my mind:

                          <snip>
                          Visitors From Down The Street (Crusade; that's a parody attempt that never worked for me a bit)
                          It had some really good, quotable lines, though.


                          Originally posted by Morden View Post
                          Legend of the Rangers (won't even talk about that insult again)
                          Gah! I wish Lyta could wipe my memory of that one.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DGTWoodward View Post
                            It just changed what we had already established as to what the Rangers were meant to be. They turned from an elite information gathering network - that even though they never were meant to be fighters, when they did they were very tough mothers - into an all-out-hard-as-nails-fighting-force-that-never-backs-away-from-a-fight.

                            What?
                            Joe has mentioned this before; it was just that *this* crew was thinking like this because they were young and inexperienced. They were going to learn the hard way the error of that line of thinking.

                            Originally posted by DGTWoodward View Post
                            Just how many 'ancient' races are there that predate the first one? None, I thought, they're all gone, all the ancient ones. It's our universe now. Oh, no...wait...
                            Joe mentioned that what they claimed wasn't necessarily what was true.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JoeD80 View Post
                              Joe has mentioned this before; it was just that *this* crew was thinking like this because they were young and inexperienced. They were going to learn the hard way the error of that line of thinking.


                              Joe mentioned that what they claimed wasn't necessarily what was true.
                              That doesn't fly. The Ranger Council was pushing that behavior. This captain was bucking it.

                              So JMS and you are really saying that the Ranger Council put that rule officially in place to get crews to grow PAST it? ....and the crews that followed the rule, didn't pass this test??? Seems like that would cost a lot of Ranger lives over the direct approach (to apply sound military judgement when deciding to attack or retreat.).
                              Last edited by KoshN; 12-21-2010, 05:57 PM.
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