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  • AstroBoy
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    Originally posted by Garibaldi's Hair View Post
    Nah ... there are at least two of us.
    Make that Three!

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  • Garibaldi's Hair
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    The more time passes between the end of the show and the making of a movie, the more likely it is that we will see some sort of re-boot, or a separate story not involving the main characters.

    In terms of actors ages, we are already more than halfway through the time gap between Objects at Rest and Sleeping in Light, and there is a limit to how much could be done to make the actors look more like they did when the show was on the air if (as long intimated) the Telepath War were to be a thread of any big screen movie.

    At this point, my money would be on a new cast, separate story, involving the station and with guest appearances from the main TV show cast.

    If it happens at all.

    Unfortunately the characters of G'Kar and Dr. Franklin would have to be recast, but I think people understand that point.
    I really don't think JMS would do that. The fans would, obviously, understand, but it always seemed to me that, as far as JMS was concerned, G'Kar and Franklin spoke to him in Andreas Katsulas' and Richard Biggs' voices. More likely he would find a way to do it without those characters. Personally, I would be happy either way.

    I seem to be the only person in the world who likes the widescreen version. I know the effects are spoiled by it at times, but I find that widescreen looks so much more epic and cinematic...
    Nah ... there are at least two of us.

    Last edited by Garibaldi's Hair; 08-25-2010, 01:49 AM.

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  • JoeD80
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    Originally posted by Reverend View Post
    Incidentally, not counting this latest possibility; how many runs have there been at a B5 theatrical film at this point? There was 'The Memory of Shadows' that was in pre-pre production back in '04 (I think) but I think I dimly recall there being serious talk of a film depicting the Telepath War back when Crusade was still optimistically un-cancelled.
    Was that meant to be a theatrical film, another TV movie or is my memory just playing tricks again?
    There was a plan for a feature film called "Wars of the Mind", but I don't think it even reached preproduction. A short outline was reprinted in the TV Movies script book that mentions the ultimate fate of Lyta and Lennier being shown in the film.

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  • ILUVJOHNSHERIDAN
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    I agree that with the broad spectrum of the B5 Universe, the story can be place anytime. However the vast majority of fans who watched the series and have not read the books (I have read them all) would not be so interested in a major feature film that did not have at least some of the main characters in it. Now I think the Legions of Fire Triology would make an excellent movie. You have Delenn, Sheridan, Garibaldi, Londo, Vir the Drak and Technomages. Unfortunately the characters of G'Kar and Dr. Franklin would have to be recast, but I think people understand that point. It also introduces David Sheridan. It ties in with the series and ties up some loose ends.

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  • Reverend
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    Recently at Comic-Con Brube Boxleitner reported that JMS told him about an idea he had for a feature film so my guess would be that at least some of the original cast would appear.

    Jan
    I've often thought that one of the main advantages B5 has as a franchise is that it doesn't hinge on the doings of a small group of characters. The world and indeed the timeline is so broad that you could conceivably set a story almost anywhere or any-when. It took Star Trek decades to free itself from being just about the adventures of the original crew and/or a ship named Enterprise.

    A good example I like to use for B5's flexibility in terms of storytelling is 'Dark Genesis', the first of the Psi Corps books. The whole think takes place between about 140 - 60 years before the show even starts and had none of the established characters (unless you count a certain newborn at the end.) On top of that 99% of the story is strictly Earthbound and aside from two VERY brief appearances, the cast is entierly human.
    As I've repeatedly stated to any that'd listen, this book would be prime material if they were ever able to make an HBO style mini-series. It's a great story in it's own right, is sufficiently long and "epic" to sustain 6-8 hours of film and requires no previous knowledge of B5. Think Spielberg's 'Taken' meets 'Roots' with a little (original) 'V' for good measure.

    Incidentally, not counting this latest possibility; how many runs have there been at a B5 theatrical film at this point? There was 'The Memory of Shadows' that was in pre-pre production back in '04 (I think) but I think I dimly recall there being serious talk of a film depicting the Telepath War back when Crusade was still optimistically un-cancelled.
    Was that meant to be a theatrical film, another TV movie or is my memory just playing tricks again?

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  • Jonas
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    I seem to be the only person in the world who likes the widescreen version. I know the effects are spoiled by it at times, but I find that widescreen looks so much more epic and cinematic...

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  • Lope de Aguirre
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    Originally posted by ILUVJOHNSHERIDAN View Post
    If there is a big screen B5 movie, do you think it would be the OLD charactors, or new ones like the new Star Trek movie?
    I share the thoughts of Jan on that but in the end how can we know.
    I for myself think a B5 movie eventually isn't THAT uznlikely but it can be that there will never be one.
    And if there will be a movie it can also happen that they use new characters or replace the/some actors for the roles.

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  • Jan
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    Recently at Comic-Con Brube Boxleitner reported that JMS told him about an idea he had for a feature film so my guess would be that at least some of the original cast would appear.

    Jan

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  • ILUVJOHNSHERIDAN
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    If there is a big screen B5 movie, do you think it would be the OLD charactors, or new ones like the new Star Trek movie?

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  • Lope de Aguirre
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    I also believe that B5 will be released eventually.
    I mean if WB does a feature film and it is succesful or when Blu-Ray is spreaded enough in many countries and shows like the Trek ones get redone SFX (and that WILL happen with TNG and probably also with DS9 + VOY).

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  • vakie
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    Originally posted by Reverend View Post
    Bottom line; it'd be a lot of work no matter what, but I wouldn't permanently discount the possibility of it happening down the road a ways. I'm sure as soon as WB home video thinks that they'd make a profit on it in BluRay and/or download sales, they'd cough up the dough in a hot second.
    I suppose it's not totally impossible, Paramount/CBS did do it for Star Trek TOS. But of course ST is in a different league compared to B5 in DVD/BR sales. But it wouldn't be totally out of the question for WB to test the waters, like you already said, with maybe one/few of the TV movies. If they make enough profit, compared with the costs, it might be feasible, some years down the road. It's basically money for old rope, studios love that. A succesful B5 feature film might increase the chances of that.

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  • Reverend
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    Originally posted by Garibaldi's Hair View Post
    It is even worse than that, in fact ... as WB have lost all of the original CGI files, not only would they have to be re-processed to HD resolution, every CGI shot across all 110 episodes plus The Gathering, plus movies would need to be re-built almost from scratch. Some models were built in HD for The Lost Tales, but that only constituted a very small proportion of the models required for a full re-CGI of the show. They would also then have to painstakingly re-build every single FX shot to fit with what was in the original show.

    Just imagine how much work was involved in building some of those epic space battles in the first place. Now imagine having to re-do those scenes (not as a new space battle, but shot for shot the exact same scene) from scratch, ensuring that you don't accidentally omit an iconic moment, or subtle background detail, that the fans love.

    No pressure, huh?

    It would have to be done shot for shot too, as otherwise the sound effects and music wouldn't fit and would also need to be re-done/re-editted, thus further adding to the time and expense of the venture.
    Oh I know they lost the files too, but to be honest, given how much software and hardware has changed in the intervening years I seriously doubt it'd be as simple as re-rendering all the old scene files even IF that stuff hadn't been lost. They'd still have to remodel, re-texture and relight everything just for starters and I'm not sure if the old scene and animation files would load properly anymore, so you'd have to either find a way to convert or recreate it anyway.

    As for the other points, I wouldn't expect any theoretical HD recreation to EXACTLY recreate the original shots. I mean what difference would it really make if (for the sake of argument) in Scene 21, Shot 3, Starfury #3 is further to the left and a bit higher than it was in the original version? Not much is how much.
    Indeed, I'd fully expect any such attempt to improve upon the original scenes wherever appropriate. If nothing else they can correct that Agrippa/Roanoke mix up!

    Bottom line; it'd be a lot of work no matter what, but I wouldn't permanently discount the possibility of it happening down the road a ways. I'm sure as soon as WB home video thinks that they'd make a profit on it in BluRay and/or download sales, they'd cough up the dough in a hot second.

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  • Snatcher42
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    I think it's safe to say HD isn't happening. If it was up to me, the DVDs wouldn't even be widescreen! Anyway, my re-watch continues with another interesting Netflix tidbit for those feeling nostalgic: Convictions in season 3 starts off with a PTEN logo!

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  • Garibaldi's Hair
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    Originally posted by Reverend View Post
    The only way to release B5 in HD is to go back and re-render and re-composite every single CG shot. It'd be a huge amount of work as it would also entail rebuilding all of the assents up to HD standard and from what I gather, at the moment and for the foreseeable future that is just too expensive.
    It is even worse than that, in fact ... as WB have lost all of the original CGI files, not only would they have to be re-processed to HD resolution, every CGI shot across all 110 episodes plus The Gathering, plus movies would need to be re-built almost from scratch. Some models were built in HD for The Lost Tales, but that only constituted a very small proportion of the models required for a full re-CGI of the show. They would also then have to painstakingly re-build every single FX shot to fit with what was in the original show.

    Just imagine how much work was involved in building some of those epic space battles in the first place. Now imagine having to re-do those scenes (not as a new space battle, but shot for shot the exact same scene) from scratch, ensuring that you don't accidentally omit an iconic moment, or subtle background detail, that the fans love.

    No pressure, huh?

    It would have to be done shot for shot too, as otherwise the sound effects and music wouldn't fit and would also need to be re-done/re-editted, thus further adding to the time and expense of the venture.
    Last edited by Garibaldi's Hair; 08-21-2010, 08:07 AM.

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  • ILUVJOHNSHERIDAN
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    OK. I see now. Too bad thuogh, it would be kiss ass in HD

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