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  • #31
    Not defending them in any way but exactly where did you get the 'highly trained' part? Most of them were hired in a huge mass hiring when the Gov't decided to close the barn door after the horses had escaped. In the case of the first story, did you see (in the part that you snipped) where it said that according to the officer, three women *ran* when approached? Wouldn't that be waving a red flag at pretty much any enforcement type?

    "Higly Trained" is what we were Promised. Rent-a-Cop rejects seems to be what we got way too many of.

    And they don't appear to be trying to bring them up to Speed, either.

    I didn't "Snip" the story. A posted a "teaser" and the link to the Full story.

    As far as "they ran", I don't think I want to believe the guy. He's an unreliable witness.

    Or, maybe the actual Criminal they were arresting was getting Beaten the Crap out of too. I can understand a group of horrified bystanders trying to get out of the way when one of the Thugs headed in their direction.

    His reason for heading in the tourists direction Before they started running is the missing piece.

    What made him think a bunch of Chinese Women were associated with the marijuana smuggler they were arresting?
    Could one of the woman have been Videotaping the arrest or something?


    And why was it necessary to hospitalize the woman? The pepper spray is more than enough to disable 99% of the general public.
    But, by his own statement, his First action was the pepper spray, then grab, knock down and beat until unconscious.
    Has this turkey been watching too many Hong Kong Fu movies?

    Or just too many Mel Gibson movies



    Last edited by bakana; 07-26-2004, 03:15 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by bakana

      I didn't "Snip" the story. A posted a "teaser" and the link to the Full story.
      You pasted all but about 5 1/2 lines of the story. More than a teaser, imo

      The rest is you choosing to believe or disbelieve several things that you have no basis for. One doesn't expect objectivity in a thread like this but some basic logic would be a good thing to base points on.

      Jan
      "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
        <<When they retaliate we can't seem to understand why.>>

        You mean like retaliate like 9/11? If I am wrong, please correct me. That's just what I got out of it.
        No not just 9/11. In fact, we have had situations even before 1993, but of course we were not paying attention. In the 1950s a group of Puerto Rican nationals stormed the congress and shot the place up. No one was killed, but these men were protesting the treatment of Puerto Ricans in general and were fighting for complete independence from the U.S. Don't forget, that Island nation was taken over by the U.S. after the defeat of the Spanish during the Spanish American War. The Puerto Ricans were basically stripped of their farmlands and American companies came in and took over most of the rest. For years the overwhelming majority of Puerto Ricans lived BELOW the poverty line. The American public then didn't understand the attack on congress, but most american worried psychotically about african americans (then called negroes) sitting next to their children in schools or moving next door. Negroes in the 1950s still weren't considered Americans. They were considered the major threat to the nation.

        Many other things happened which I won't mention here. It will be too long. The Philippines was another example. American troops went in under President Theodore Roosevelt and set up an Abu Ghraib style prison system there saying that they are freeing the Philippino's from the cruelty of the Spaniards. Roosevelt called the Philippinos half-chinese mongrels. 200,000 people lost their lives during the American occupation. Another long story. All over the Caribbean, throughout the south pacific and in the rest of the 3rd world our nation tarnished itself and destroyed its relationship with those parts of the World. During the mid 20th century our government was invovled in black ops in the 3rd world which resulted in assassinations of top leaders and presidents in various countries. Assassinations with our government's backing and/or with Americans doing the actual killing. We Americans STILL don't understand why those places in the world feel the way they do.

        Now we have Bush (another President Clark). He has masterfully isolated us from the rest of the world and turned us into a rogue nation. Allowed the killing of thousands and plunged us into war killing thousands more. But now with his homeland security and patriot acts I and II, stripping us of our constitution and destroying the Bill of Rights, he has brought "NIGHTWATCH" to the forefront of American bad behavior toward it's own people. But then most of us don't see to understand or care.
        Last edited by WalkingEagle; 07-27-2004, 07:04 AM.
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        • #34
          This discussion has veered completely away from B5 and there's a "Nightwatch Lives" discussion on the "Off Topic Forum."
          http://jmsnews.net/forums/showthread...=&threadid=289

          Maybe it would be better to continue this discussion there?
          Such... is the respect paid to science that the most absurd opinions may become current, provided they are expressed in language, the sound of which recalls some well-known scientific phrase
          James Clerk Maxwell (1831-79)

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          • #35
            OK. Here's a follow up on the Air Marshal story.

            It would seem to support my contention that Homeland Security didn't do even minimal background checking for this guy.



            No bail for air marshal in porn case

            By Robert E. Kessler - Staff Writer

            July 27, 2004

            A suspended federal air marshal arrested on child pornography charges was held without bail yesterday after a federal prosecutor said that one of the pictures seized from his home showed him engaging in sex with an adolescent boy, and that he is under investigation for possible child molestation in Texas.

            Prosecutor Gary Brown also said the marshal, Michael McGowan, 32, of 47 Haverford Rd., Hicksville, had been arrested twice as a youth, once for allegedly possessing a pipe bomb and once on a grand larceny charge. Brown added that McGowan had false credentials identifying him as both a CIA agent and a member of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force.

            Federal Magistrate Arlene Lindsey in U.S. District Court in Central Islip held McGowan as a danger to the community and a flight risk after noting that the phony credentials appeared to be good forgeries.

            >skip a bit<

            McGowan had been on administrative leave since June 2, when New Jersey state police reported he was being investigated for an apparent incident of "road rage" in which he allegedly pulled his service weapon on another motorist, officials said.

            >skip the rest<
            That's the Teaser. the Complete story is at:

            Air Marshal Followup

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            • #36
              The two convictions were more than 10 years a go, so the veters may have decided that he had grown out of it. Using child porn may not have been caught but I am surprised that there have been no crimes of violence since them. Or has he being using fake id to hide them?
              Andrew Swallow

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Andrew_Swallow
                The two convictions were more than 10 years a go, so the veters may have decided that he had grown out of it. Using child porn may not have been caught but I am surprised that there have been no crimes of violence since them. Or has he being using fake id to hide them?
                The point is...yes, 10 yrs ago is more than enough to consider him dangerous for such duty. Even working at an airport your history is investigated back 10 to 15 yrs.

                Vetting is more than just investigating...it's also determining whether or not that person is suitable or proper for such a position in such cases.

                And either way, if he had been properly vetted...don't you think our own intelligence services just might have caught that all of his credentials were forgeries?

                OH! Doh! Wait....they can't tell the difference between a regular truck and a chemical weapon in Iraq...why should they catch this?



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                • #38
                  Originally posted by colonyearth
                  The point is...yes, 10 yrs ago is more than enough to consider him dangerous for such duty. Even working at an airport your history is investigated back 10 to 15 yrs.

                  Adolescent could mean he was 14.
                  14 + 15 check back = age 29
                  He is 32 so they may have missed his convictions.


                  Vetting is more than just investigating...it's also determining whether or not that person is suitable or proper for such a position in such cases.
                  I remember the old joke.

                  Armaments production worker check last 5 years.

                  Weapons scientist/engineer/inventor check all life.

                  Intelligence Officers check all life, interview all his officers.

                  Special Forces recruit interview him - in his prison cell.
                  (Think 'Dirty Dozen')
                  Andrew Swallow

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                  • #39
                    The ones that Should have gotten him caught a lot sooner are the Texas Child Colestation investigation and the suspicion that he is involved in the Production of kiddie porn.

                    The Texas investigation should have had his superiors all Over him.

                    And a background check that missed all the extra money producing Porn both Costs and Creates isn't a very good background check.

                    I'll be generous and suppose he channels the porn money through the Caymans. They should still have noticed he was Spending Money that couldn't be accounted for.
                    The guy is too Stupid to believe he hasn't been spending the money.

                    Hell, that's how they caught Capone and no police agency has ever forgotten that lesson.
                    It's part of the "Standard" background check these days.

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