Open B5 questions

[elver]

The concept sketches seem to have been taken down. Anyone got a mirror or a copy? Would love to see them.

[vacantlook]

Though the images are smaller on the site I'm linking to below that the deadlink to the image that was in the post above, they're the same images.

Early B5 Designs including some interesting early descriptions of the five major alien governments.

Early B5 Character Bios including the picture you wanted to see of Kosh and his mate.

[grumbler]

Originally posted by bakana
As far as Lennier's crime, there ARE laws in the US which create a "Responsibility to Render Aid" in certain situations where Lives are clearly at stake.

I don't know how a failure to render aid is prosecuted, but the laws do exist.
Probably different in every state, too.

The Responsibility to render Aid" statutes only apply to those involved in an acident/incident. Bystanders (except doctors, nurses, and EMT types) are not required to render aid in any state that i was able to scan in a quick google search.

I'd guess the most likely charge would be Manslaughter by Negligence.
Or perhaps one I've heard on a few Lawyer shows: Depraved Indifference to Life.

Depraved indifference, and manslaughter, require that the accused must have taken action to cause the death - for instance, had Lenier caused the fuel spill without checking to see if there was anyone in its path, that would be manslaughter. Since he didn't cause the spill, he is legally free and clear.

Manslaughter is the usual charge where the person who comitted the crime didn't Directly cause the death, but Could or Should have acted to Prevent it.

Nope, unless it was negligence on the part of the acused that caused the death, there is no "could or should have acted to prevent it" charge.

Murder implies direct action, premeditated or not.

Yep. Murder requires both the action and the mindset. Lenier did nothing, and so is not guilty of even third degree murder (which is manslaughter).

All statements regarding law above should be taken to include US law only. Other jurisdictions (like Minbar) may have other legal concepts.

[bakana]

Manslaughter is the usual charge where the person who comitted the crime didn't Directly cause the death, but Could or Should have acted to Prevent it.

Nope, unless it was negligence on the part of the acused that caused the death, there is no "could or should have acted to prevent it" charge.

Well, since Lennier Could have opened the door and rescued Sheridan, it follows that, if anyone had died as a result of his NOT opening the door, he would have been responsible.

Killing someone by Not helping is still Killing.

And a few people Have gone to jail for refusing to help.

BTW, most US states that I've driven in require the first driver who arrives at the scene of an accident it to Stop and Render Assistance even though they are NOT involved in the accident.

On the theory that the people who WERE in the accident might be too badly injured to help themselves.

[Michael Malloy]

"BTW, most US states that I've driven in require the first driver who arrives at the scene of an accident it to Stop and Render Assistance even though they are NOT involved in the accident.

On the theory that the people who WERE in the accident might be too badly injured to help themselves."

Law or not, it is a moral thing to do. After all, if you were helpless in a similar situation, wouldn't you be happy if someone stopped to help you in some way? I would.

[Dr Maturin]

<<Killing someone by Not helping is still Killing.

And a few people Have gone to jail for refusing to help.>>

Yeah, we've all seen the Seinfeld series finale.

Lennier also had a reason to kill Sheridan, and Delenn knew it.

[grumbler]

Originally posted by Michael Malloy
Law or not, it is a moral thing to do. After all, if you were helpless in a similar situation, wouldn't you be happy if someone stopped to help you in some way? I would.

Yep, which is why I pointed out above that lenier's inaction was of moral, not legal, consequence.

[grumbler]

Originally posted by bakana
Well, since Lennier Could have opened the door and rescued Sheridan, it follows that, if anyone had died as a result of his NOT opening the door, he would have been responsible.

Killing someone by Not helping is still Killing.

I love pseudo-law. "Responsible" in a moral sense is a far cry from responsible in a legal sense.

And a few people Have gone to jail for refusing to help.

Names, dates, locations?

BTW, most US states that I've driven in require the first driver who arrives at the scene of an accident it to Stop and Render Assistance even though they are NOT involved in the accident.

Name one of them, please. I have never heard of this requirement in any of the some 40 states that I have driven in or the eleven states in which i have held drivers' licences.

[Dr Maturin]

Is it simple irony that Robert Rusler played in a movie entitled "Wasted in Babylon?"

[Bonehead]

In the 'Day of the Dead' in season 5, Lockley is visited by her dead sister. At the last minute, she gives Lockley a message for Sheridan from Kosh.
It goes something like : "When the time comes, return to the end of the beginning. I will be waiting."

So when we get to 'Sleeping in Light', and Sheridan makes his last journey to Coriana 6, (and I'm usually welling up by this point) why is there no Kosh ? Instead we get Lorien, which is ok but it sure would have been nice to see good old Kosh one last time.

[WorkerCaste]

Originally posted by Bonehead
In the 'Day of the Dead' in season 5, Lockley is visited by her dead sister. At the last minute, she gives Lockley a message for Sheridan from Kosh.
It goes something like : "When the time comes, return to the end of the beginning. I will be waiting."

So when we get to 'Sleeping in Light', and Sheridan makes his last journey to Coriana 6, (and I'm usually welling up by this point) why is there no Kosh ? Instead we get Lorien, which is ok but it sure would have been nice to see good old Kosh one last time.

Remember, Hosh is dead, and Lorien isn't. In the Day of the Dead, it was dead people who had messages for the living. From that perspective, it makes sense that Kosh would give SHeridan one last cryptic instruction from the grave, but that Lorien would be there to catch him, much like when Kosh instructed SHeridan to "Jump!"

[Capt.Montoya]

From what I remember there was no "I'll be there" in Kosh's message.
Such important quotes are usually found in the Episode Guide Page at the Lurker's Guide to B5, or in the synopsis, the quote registered there is "When the long night comes, return to the end of the beginning."

There's one related JMS post in the archive here:

http://jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-10871&query=kosh%20neil

Zoe wasn't Lochley's sister, but a close friend with whom she ran away from home.
As WC says Kosh couldn't be at Coriana 6, Kosh was indeed suredead, nowhere in this galaxy, his essence not captured by machines nor Soul Hunters, neither near the Galactic Center nor Beyond the Rim, but wherever Vorlon souls go after death.

[Capt.Montoya]

Here's a question:

Coffee trees take years to grow, getting the beans requires letting the cherries dry and removing the fleshy exterior. The coffee then has to be dried and roasted by someone quite experienced (connoiseurs would tell you that badly roasted grains are worthless). Making coffee is no small beans...

How did Ivanova ever manage to grow and prepare real coffee at B5??

[vacantlook]

A genetically engineered type of coffee plant perhaps?

[grumbler]

Originally posted by Capt.Montoya
How did Ivanova ever manage to grow and prepare real coffee at B5??

She had it smuggled in. Since smuggling is a crime while using a bit of hydro space is a sin, she lied about the source.

A better question is why coffee would be short at all? It travels very well and can be stored indefinately. No matter how long a Navy deployment I was on or how far away we got, there was always plenty of coffee, even if there was a lack of anything fresh like eggs or milk or veggies.